SCH secondary stats question

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Originally Posted by AmalonStar

I haven't really played as a sch but I am interested in learning more, I know that because of the fairy you can dps more than on a job like whm. I would have to log in and check on what stats do what now as opposed to before but I personally focus more on high determination and spell speed for healers. From the last time I looked at the stat descriptions determination increases your healing potency, for a healer class I feel that having more consistent heals and faster cast times is better than trying to get crit heals and not getting a crit heal when you need to have one.

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Here's some testing on healing stats for WHM and Diurnal AST: https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...mulas_and_more

For healing on these jobs too, it's Crit > SpS > Det

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Originally Posted by Rennies

Don't get hit by the Accuracy debuff.

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Just as a note, I never have been hit by it. I'll still be looking for it to pop up again, though.

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

Just as a note, I never have been hit by it. I'll still be looking for it to pop up again, though.

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If you can parse it and tell us exactly where in the dungeon you're missing, that'd help. ;3

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Originally Posted by Culfinrandir

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If you do run EX Primals, but you simply don't DPS at all on SCH, then you really need to learn what the job is about as you're doing yourself & your team a great disservice.

There, fixed that for you. ;P

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Shrug. Tbh, I'm rather tired of pushing the healer DPS meta down heal-only healers, as much as I love optimizing (or trying to) my own DPS. Doesn't sound like the OP doesn't DPS, though, so I was just adding that as a tongue in cheek comment.

The OP never came back, so... :'D

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Originally Posted by Ama_Hamada

so for the likes of Shire Preceptor's Hose, for SCH DPS and healing is it crit > speed > det? so i would meld speed in these?

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For damage: (51% of SCH damage are DoT's)
Acc > SS > Crit > Det

For heal only (which is impossible atm):
Crit > whatever you want to

Normally i'm over 90% in Cleric Stance. For 1-2 adlos each run crit isn't needed, cause you can never get a 100% crit adlo. It's always just luck.

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Originally Posted by seekified

I don't. Yes, SpS does have a higher weight for DPS, but Crit is still more important for healing. Plus, a critlo means not having to touch the tank for a good while.

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Well, then you're just wrong, because you're ignoring both the specific wording of OP's question, as well as the context of what content he's concerned with. Speed > crit, by a good 50%.

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Originally Posted by Fevelle

Are you sure? Because I'm a WHM with no accuracy melds as of now and I have yet to see my Assize miss.

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Mmmh i don't know then... I've Just seen some misses with my alt because i didn't had the acc cap at all. Since I'm at 600 acc on my main i cannot verify anymore x)

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Originally Posted by Alistaire

Well, then you're just wrong, because you're ignoring both the specific wording of OP's question, as well as the context of what content he's concerned with. Speed > crit, by a good 50%.

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The OP says "for SCH DPS and healing", and the player in question does not do EX/Savage content. Thus, SpS > Crit is correct for DPS, but as he also mentions the "healing" part, I assume that he (rightly) is also concerned with optimizing healing, for which Crit is vastly better than SpS. The post also mentions the Shire Preceptor's Hose, which of course can't take any more Crit and thus he should meld SpS. I don't see where I missed something.

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Originally Posted by seekified

The OP says "for SCH DPS and healing", and the player in question does not do EX/Savage content. Thus, SpS > Crit is correct for DPS, but as he also mentions the "healing" part, I assume that he (rightly) is also concerned with optimizing healing, for which Crit is vastly better than SpS. The post also mentions the Shire Preceptor's Hose, which of course can't take any more Crit and thus he should meld SpS. I don't see where I missed something.

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It's not vastly superior for that content, where you neither need nor rely on crits, and a good amount of time just make your fairy more bored by getting them. As for his request being about that piece of gear, giving him the general rule is far better than just telling him "meld this on that" which still leaves him possibly confused later down the road.

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Originally Posted by Rennies

If you can parse it and tell us exactly where in the dungeon you're missing, that'd help. ;3

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I don't have any means to do such a thing, but I will try to keep track of if/when it happens.