Newbie wants to be a better tank

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Originally Posted by Dreggit

So I have this rotation as Paladin now and I barely ever lose hare and it allows me to do bigger pulls

Shield Toss > (run into center of mobs or go get another group) > Scorn > Flash > Flash. From there I single focus 3x combo while also flashing occasionally. Good rotation?

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Don't run forward after you shield lob, because if the healer does something like blows an aoe heal, they can all run past you and after the healer while your Flash is coming off cooldown. If you shield lob at maximum range and wait for them to run to you, Flash will be off cooldown by then and you can snap a flash to save a healer (don't ask me why healers do this, but I've had it happen to me often enough to learn this lesson).

If your goal is to speed pull, then don't shield lob at all. Just run forward and Flash.

Hmm. Most dungeons I've run lately have complained it's too slow and beg for bigger pulls. Sometimes I relent and do it and we wiper due to healer being under geared or not ready (which as a secondary healer doing AV dungeon and big packs it can be difficult to micromanage healing party wide) But the blame is usually on me. Now. I'm a lot better now than I was when I started and don't usually comment to avoid a shitfest in chat. But that's sometimes gotten me kicked

Doing large pulls kinda requires knowledge of the dungeon to execute properly. You need to have an idea for which mobs hit harder than others or deal damage boosting status effects so you can know when to keep going or do a shorter pull. It also requires you and the healer to be well geared for the dungeon. As a general rule of thumb, I do mass pulls in level 50 or 60 dungeons, but not in leveling dungeons.

doing big pulls is gonna take some practice. you've got three cooldowns that will save you, in order of power: Hallowed Ground, Sentinel, and Rampart. also, Hallowed Ground has a seven minute cd, so you can't use it every pull. and, it isn't as awesome as it seems at first, because if the dps haven't trimmed down the mobs within the ten seconds before it expires, then you're going to get overwhelmed

it requires feeling out the group. you've gotta know if you've got good dps. you've gotta know if your heals can handle it. so start out small, and pull bigger each time. also, when i'm with random healers, i try to blow sentinel and wait for that to expire before popping hallowed ground, if i still need it. that's because some healers like to holy at the start of a big pull, which is cool, but wastes precious seconds of my hallowed ground if i'm standing in the middle of a pack of stunned mobs

knowing how to play your job is one thing, but as a tank, you've got to be able to feel out your group, too (if you're running with randoms). i said this before, but i'd like to give a quick tip on how to do this: check their hp. unless your healer or dps are doing something crazy like stacking vitality materia, hp is a quick and easy gauge of how good their gear is. so, for example, when you see you've got 30k health, one dps has 15k health, and the other dps has 24k health, you know the one with 24k health is rocking some good gear. and if your healer has 24k health... just pull everything as far as you can, or else you risk that healer dozing off from boredom :p

If you still new 60, big pulli is quite a risk, not just your hp will not hold, the dps will out aggro you because Most people in DF 60 is close to max igear this day, even worse if both dps are major aoe class.

You can tell them at the start of dungeon see their respond, if they are fine with it then sure go ahead.

I recently put off tanking for a while. Going to practice runs with a set party in specific dungeons so to better understand how to do large pulls before I continue in high-level content as a tank.

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Originally Posted by Dreggit

I recently put off tanking for a while. Going to practice runs with a set party in specific dungeons so to better understand how to do large pulls before I continue in high-level content as a tank.

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Honestly its pretty easy from the tanks perspective, its everyone else who has to up their game to make it work.

Your jobs as the tank:
(1) Most important step, over gear the content. Dont do this, and you're going to have issues, and this probably isnt possible, w/o perfection on everyones part, while getting carried.
(2) Run up to the 1st group of mobs, and AoE them, and sprint to the 2nd group of enemies.
(3) Use a potent CD, and some weaker ones after it.
(4) Spam AoEs, until you can't, and then focus on tabbing between mobs with single target.

That is all there is to it.
Just Spam AoEs, and put up CDs.

DPS need to do actual good dmg, otherwise u run out of CDs, or u use CDs meant for the next pull.
Healer needs to also do dmg, while also healing u from all the dmg u take.

This is very Healer reliant, followed by DPS reliant, followed by gear/CD usage.

I have almost full ironworks as a healer and tank just need rings for both. That's more than plenty for l50 content yes?

Yes 50 content you are good. Ironworks (i120) is sufficient till about 54.