With Eve gone, only sub based MMOs left are FFXIV and WoW

Subs will be always better than micro-transactions.

With subs, companies know how much income they'll get, so they can plan forward updates (or expansions).

With micro-transactions it's hard (or impossible) to know when the income will be high or low, therefore it's hard to update a game with an irregular economy, ending up with a contentless game. That's why some F2P games are just boring, low quality and contentless.

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Originally Posted by Chiramu

Guild Wars 2 also does the B2P model as well.

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in B2P games, I almost always CHOOSE to pay the sub regardless, especially if the extra goodies are worth it.

But I don't HAVE to in order to play the game that I purchased. I can still log in, and play the game that I purchased, without any of the extra goodies, if I so choose. that, is the major difference for me.

I don't feel that I should have to pay 15 dollars a month, JUST in order to play the 60-dollar game that I purchased, and the 60-dollar expansions that I continue to also purchase.

I do it, with FFXIV of course, because I enjoy the game and I wish to play it, and therefore I have no other choice, but I don't have to like it.

I feel like if I pay 60 dollars for a game, I should be able to play what I paid for, without the threat of a monthly ransom.

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Originally Posted by JMadFour

in B2P games, I almost always CHOOSE to pay the sub regardless, especially if the extra goodies are worth it.

But I don't HAVE to in order to play the game that I purchased. I can still log in, and play the game that I purchased, without any of the extra goodies, if I so choose. that, is the major difference for me.

I don't feel that I should have to pay 15 dollars a month, JUST in order to play the 60-dollar game that I purchased, and the 60-dollar expansions that I continue to also purchase.

I do it, with FFXIV of course, because I enjoy the game and I wish to play it, and therefore I have no other choice, but I don't have to like it.

I feel like if I pay 60 dollars for a game, I should be able to play what I paid for, without the threat of a monthly ransom.

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I get what your saying, but let's look at it this way..

The game go B2P.. Can you live with all we lose? That Ransome is what make this game keep pushing out patch after patch.. Dungeon,Raid,Boss fights...Story! New jobs! On a LV that make F2P and B2P seem pointless.(Not useless)

Not say your wrong just saying I'd happily pay that Ransome if we keep getting add on and patches like we have been. ^_^

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Originally Posted by AlexionSkylark

What do you mean EVE is gone?

EVE didn't become F2P, it just offered a "trial" tier, and a very limited one at that.

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I know, I'm wondering what announcement some of these people have read.

EVE has gone F2P in the same way that WoW has gone F2P with its 'play up to level 20 for free!' trial.

The EVE Online free model is untested. I played EVE Online for a decade and I know how the game works. Logging in 2000 Velators to shut down an invasion of a system is going to gridlock EVE. They did not think this through.

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Originally Posted by ChocoFeru

Subs will be always better than micro-transactions.

With subs, companies know how much income they'll get, so they can plan forward updates (or expansions).

With micro-transactions it's hard (or impossible) to know when the income will be high or low, therefore it's hard to update a game with an irregular economy, ending up with a contentless game. That's why some F2P games are just boring, low quality and contentless.

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But it's been proven time and time again, data says otherwise.

http://i.imgur.com/t0XN9c5.jpg

I'm not saying that FFXIV should go F2P, just trying to clear the misconception. From what I've seen, P2P community is always better than F2P ones. I wouldn't want to see FF games to be 'tainted' by the new toxic community.

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Originally Posted by Ksenia

The EVE Online free model is untested. I played EVE Online for a decade and I know how the game works. Logging in 2000 Velators to shut down an invasion of a system is going to gridlock EVE. They did not think this through.

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Presumably free accounts can't multibox, just like trial accounts can't.

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Originally Posted by Silvarion

But it's been proven time and time again, data says otherwise.

http://i.imgur.com/t0XN9c5.jpg
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Dunno why you quote him he said company from p2p games can plan more in advance than a f2p cause of the regular income. So even if ffxiv would make less profit they still can release content to gain subs back meanwhile f2p games don't have the ability to do that unless cash shop gives enough profit countless of f2p games were dead after a short time due that.

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Originally Posted by Silvarion

But it's been proven time and time again, data says otherwise.

http://i.imgur.com/t0XN9c5.jpg

I'm not saying that FFXIV should go F2P, just trying to clear the misconception. From what I've seen, P2P community is always better than F2P ones. I wouldn't want to see FF games to be 'tainted' by the new toxic community.

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Well, League of Legends is not a MMORPG and can't be compared, since it's a different market. You should compare it with a different MMORPG, and then compare how often they update their game and compare the content/quality of it.

Yoshi-P already stated once that a p2p game is better because they can plan future updates, since they know how much they'll earn.

With F2P models you just don't know what your income will be, so you end up not planing anything, or plan something small just in case nobody buys anything.


Usually MMORPGs goes F2P because investors wants their money back ASAP, and F2P offers a fast initial income, but after that it always goes down til the game just dies.

Glad FFXIV is still sub, in fact that's one of the primary reasons I came back - the piece of mind that the game won't try to nickle and dime me after ESO introduced lockboxes. If FFXIV ever went F2P, I think that would be my MMO gaming career over with for good.