Petition to keep non-instanced dungeons.

We definately need Non Instanced dungeons in this game. There is no point in playing an MMO where you cannot meet people at random throughout the game. Why would we play a Massive Multiplayer Game if we only see eachother in town. There is a reason the first GW was awful. At the very least if the HAVE to make all Dungeons instanced, they need to make them Public Instances. We NEED places where multiple parties can come in contact with each other. 0 competition is a game breaker. Worse yet, 0 collaboration is a game breaker. An Auto Party function can only go so far. yes it will allow you to complete content. But how are you going to make friends? If everyone you meet up with is on another server, you will never be able to play with them outside of a small group timed instance. Your friend will never be able to meet other friend. In all likely hood, you will never see the same person twice. 100% instance dungeons is a horrible idea.

On top of all that, a content finder is going to make it so you never have to travel to the location of the content. This means people will not be leaving town. Which means your not going to meet people in the field either.

One of my favorite things about XI was the non-instanced aspect. You could be running around into a dungeon and make a new friend as you both tried to achieve an objective. Or bump into friends. Or an XP party.

Instancing goes against everything I like in a MMO. You know, the "massively multiplayer" part.

/sign I really do enjoy open world dungeons its a nice feel, I can see why some dungeons are still required to be instanced but the open world ones are fun as well!

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Originally Posted by Thaigare

/sign I really do enjoy open world dungeons its a nice feel, I can see why some dungeons are still required to be instanced but the open world ones are fun as well!

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Yea, I'm not sure why, but this Dev team seems to have never heard of Public Instances..

Just because something is an instance Just because it has requirements for entry. Does NOT mean you only have to let one party in.

Imagine something like Darkhold, but three times as big, with 3 to 5 parties running around inside. You make it big enough so that they don't all have to be on top of one another. But you give them the opportunity to meet and help each other.

Or how bout..

A low level instance with a level cap. Any number of solo players can walk inside, meet up, group up, or just play solo. Anyone who would come in and start killing everything on them or try PLing would be kept out or level restricted. People would be able to have real legitimate fun.

Or how about..

An areas in the game where you don't have requirements for entry. A place where random player just go to explore. People you will see more than randomly after hitting content finder. A dungeon for the actual Social aspect of an MMO. Honestly, why would I want to group with people from a server I am not on all the time?

Yea they said they would allow for server jumping in some form.. But I like the people on my server. I'm not gonna jump cause i met one cool person at random. I want to meet new people I can play with.

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Originally Posted by Dalmore

Agreed. One of the Worst things WoW has done is the dungeon finder. IT Ruined the community beyond belief. people say "well you dont have to use it" well guess what? it becomes the only way to do anything.

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Rift has a dungeon finder and almost nobody uses it, at least at low level.

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Hey guys lets log onto FFXIV and stand in one spot in the city and que for everythign we need to do we dont need to go anywhere but the city..... Good Job Yoshi your pretty game your unique zones you want? there not gonna mean shit once you implement a dungeon finder cross server. niether will those grand companies you speak of. cause once ppl find out its faster and easier to que for everything yea GAME OVER. unless your gonna do cross server grand companies? LMAO I was so optamistic about this game till I read cross server dungeon finder.

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Just grab a sandwich board and paint "the end is nigh" on the front.

It's amusing how everyone is throwing their arms in the air running around like the sky is falling about this issue, if its anything like WoW (or other MMO's that use this feature) you can make an LS party or party of people in your friends list and then join a random que and do the dungeon with them.

If you only have 6/8 people you can then join the dungeon finder to find the last 2 people.

The only thing it may effect is XP parties as I imagine the majority will want to XP in dungeons, but I think the pros out weight the cons in this case.

The con being standing in Ul'dah for 3 hours shouting for a party.

Funny thing about that lvl 15-20 dungeon is that your party can kill all those dogs and get the coeurl to spawn and some asswank can come and steal it right from under your noses, personally I find this really annoying and is a huge reason im pro instanced based content.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Rift has a dungeon finder and almost nobody uses it, at least at low level.



Just grab a sandwich board and paint "the end is nigh" on the front

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He's not wrong.. Lotro incorperated a world join feature and no body goes anywhere anymore. They just stand around until they get a group together and then click a button and poof they are in an instance. It's lame.

Games with this feature no longer have a community. No one travels anywhere. People just hang out in town til they auto join something. FFXIV is going to make it worse. You wont even have to make your own group. It will literally be, log in, press content finder, wait, port to instance. Instances are also incredible XP in this game so people will have no reason to venture into the field at all.

This game needs non instanced content to keep people in the actual game and get them out of town. You think Ul dah is bad now, wait til people dont have to leave for anything.

Im playing LOTRO now and you are wrong I see people running around doing quests all the time.

I'm out doing quests, mining, gathering etc.

Stop telling porkies.

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Originally Posted by Jinko

Im playing LOTRO now and you are wrong I see people running around doing quests all the time.

I'm out doing quests, mining, gathering etc.

Stop telling porkies.

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You see people out soloing quests.. But that only because it the only way to level

Whens the last time you were not in and Instanced dungeon and had a party?

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Originally Posted by Kiote

You see people out soloing quests.. But that only because it the only way to level

Whens the last time you were not in and Instanced dungeon and had a party?

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Yes but thats more a problem with LOTRO than the system its using, RIFT has world content in the form of uhhh Rifts and it has a very good world PVP system also, it also has a dungeon finder, but it also uses this dungeon finder to do group quest content and to look for rift parties aswell.

So as I keep saying its in the hands of the developer how they encourage us to use the world.

That being said nobody seem to use the damn dungeon finder, you can be queing for 30-60 mins sometimes, perhaps rift doesn't use cross server /shrugs (I don't think LOTRO does for that matter though)

As mentioned in many ways, features such as dungeon finder, or Lv sync are ONLY problems, if they arn't handled properly. (I mention Lv Sync because of the arguments being the same.)
Not because it's impossible to make them work.
With games like WoW, Dungeons, quests, and PvP are the only real content, and only 1 of the 3 asks for exploration, and isn't as fun/quick.
And as explained many time in the Lv sync thread, the problems we mainly see lie in the limited or terrible "Base game" and lack of effort to fix or change it.