Post Your Tanking Horror Stories!

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Originally Posted by Jpec07

First of all, was this really necessary? You just contributed nothing to the discussion. In an attempt to make an arbitrary judgment on another player, you then hurled a baseless insult, without any attempt at correcting the issues that person may have had with their gameplay. If someone is performing poorly, rather than just insulting and dismissing them, maybe try helping them. This isn't like WoW where people will bite your head off for offering advice, and if you do it respectfully, you may even make a friend or two out of it. But doing something like this? Calling someone bad for no reason and without justification? You're contributing to the growing toxicity of the community. And that is not okay.

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Oh I'm sorry, I must have confused you for the other Jpec07. Y'know, the one who claims you can't do the new dungeons in less than 20 minutes and that people need to suck it up when they get slow runs in df because all they do is waste their time dancing in Idyllshire.

And if you think people take constructive criticism or advice, let me point you to this hilarious thread here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ity-about-jobs
People like that are very common, but rarely do they actually make threads about it. They are pretty funny though.

So as to not veer off topic too far, I've got another one: being asked to take adds in Steps of Faith as a DRK (when the other tank is a PLD who volunteered for cannons right off the bat).

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Originally Posted by HoodRat

Oh I'm sorry, I must have confused you for the other Jpec07. Y'know, the one who claims you can't do the new dungeons in less than 20 minutes and that people need to suck it up when they get slow runs in df because all they do is waste their time dancing in Idyllshire.

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Okay, so tell me: what are you doing with your time that is so important that you can't take an extra 5-10 minutes in a dungeon? Or in the case of this (hypothetical?) Warrior, an extra ten seconds to ask for bigger pulls? And I can't imagine doing those dungeons in less than 20 minutes unless everyone is above iLvl 200, your group is pre-made, you have at least a SMN or BLM, and you're not a PLD (oops, guess I'm disqualified).

It's a game. You're not being tracked for productivity. There is no quota for how much content you have to do a night. People are so obsessed with getting through the content at light speed; why? What point is there to doing that? And what offense is there in someone who doesn't run it as fast as you want it? "They're wasting my precious time!" That you would then spend...doing what, exactly? What is so important for you to be doing as to need to insult people who don't cater to your every whim?

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Originally Posted by HoodRat

And if you think people take constructive criticism or advice, let me point you to this hilarious thread here: http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ity-about-jobs
People like that are very common, but rarely do they actually make threads about it. They are pretty funny though.

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My experience with new players has always been the opposite. If I ever see someone not doing something right, I'll ask if they want some advice, and usually they are extremely grateful. If you treat them with respect and remember that you were a n00b once yourself, chances are they'll be a lot more receptive to what you have to say. I've never had negative reception when I did that, and once or twice have actually had them teach me something I hadn't known about the job.

Gotta say Jspec has the right of it here. Expert runs on average are 20-25 mins with a decent group. I haven't done a lv60 roulette since the last patch, so maybe those are faster now but before with a great group it was around 15-20 mins.

He didn't claim you couldn't do them in less time, of course with really good dps it can be a bit faster. "as short as maybe 20 minutes on a good day"

20 mins for a DF expert (with a completely DF group) is an above average clear speed in my own personal experience.

No justification for ad-hominem attacks

I wish the community was better on the whole giving/receiving advice aspect. The past two times I've said " hello, new to MNK, experienced tank, please feel free to give advice if you see me doing something stupid " the tank has just left the duty.

On the flip side last night in DD, had a ACN show up. No job stone, two jobs to 50. Ran with no carbie for 1/2 and topaz for half. Generally only ruin spam... One dot about once a pull.... The run was already going bad, no one seemed to want to raise the issue and ask if s/he wanted advice.

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Originally Posted by whiskeybravo

Gotta say Jspec has the right of it here. Expert runs on average are 20-25 mins with a decent group. I haven't done a lv60 roulette since the last patch, so maybe those are faster now but before with a great group it was around 15-20 mins.

He didn't claim you couldn't do them in less time, of course with really good dps it can be a bit faster. "as short as maybe 20 minutes on a good day"

20 mins for a DF expert (with a completely DF group) is an above average clear speed in my own personal experience.

No justification for ad-hominem attacks

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I just had a 17-minute Arboretum DF with a BRD, a MNK, and a SCH. This isn't exactly uncommon for me.

Good for you. Monk, bard, scholar and dark knight have exceptional aoe and you cleared in less than 20 mins. I'll delete my comments now since it's impossible to assume a degree of flexibility about how long it takes on average to run a dungeon based on my experiences.

The only job that doesn't have good AOE is PLD. The "but you have AOE" argument doesn't stand.

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Originally Posted by AI_wass

The only job that doesn't have good AOE is PLD. The "but you have AOE" argument doesn't stand.

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NIN isn't that great either. I had an arboretum run with 2x NIN + AST that i didn't time but it was definitely close to 30 min even with me dropping Grit at every boss and tossing sea urchins constantly.

At least i got dat sick slashing debuff :3

under 30 minute runs - whatevs. over 45 minutes.... ewww. More than 60...

http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1362947496/442/8408442.jpg

back on to the true topic. I am leveling my Scholar again, so I hope to post some stuff here on behalf of the tank that gets that lucky pairing....


There was a tank in Dusk Vigil who tested his hallowed ground macro just before the 1st boss. Paraphrasing: "You can't kill me!!" insert sound effect and {Hallowed Ground}. We kill the boss, next mob pull..... I let him die.... "/p The boss may not have been able to kill you, but I can - MWAHAHAHAHA"

I think I need an adultier adult some days.....

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Originally Posted by AlexiIvaniskavich

under 30 minute runs - whatevs. over 45 minutes.... ewww. More than 60...

http://static2.stuff.co.nz/1362947496/442/8408442.jpg.

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^ This x 100.

I run roulette content under 20 minutes all the time. My personal best with a PuG group was actually around (just under) 15 minutes back before 3.0, back when Tam-Tara Deepcroft HM was still an EX Roulette. I was shocked and dumbfounded by the speed we were progressing at, and I still can't wrap my head around how fast they we were going (I only hope that I can one day pull that kind of Dps on my Drg. It has become the goal since this run) ... but so what? Moving at break-neck speeds is fun and exciting, but in the end it's nothing special. The runs that stick in my head more than any others are the ones that go very badly.

On that note, my HM roll last night was in Neverreap. I had a SMN and a NIN on Dps. I was tanking on my Drk. Healer was a Whm. Everyone looked to be around ilvl 200, so I figured it should be a quick one... yet, for some reason, the Dps were moving like snails. I swear, the Nin must have been dropping Doton and then just auto-attacking for most of the mobs, and the Smn didn't seem to be using AoE's at all.

We took so long on the first pull that I actually ran out of buffs. I went through all of them before the mob died, and first ones I popped were just coming back up on CD. It was absurd. The entire run took more than 50 minutes, and I pretty much ran the whole thing without Grit (enmity was not a problem, because the Dps weren't doing enough Dps for it to matter). Thank god the healer was good, or we probably would have been there longer. I imagine my face looked a bit like that picture by the time I was done.