Job Alignment Chart

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Originally Posted by Gamer3427

Lawful doesn't matter if the actual actions of the lawmaker can be considered chaotic, it simply matters about whether or not the person following the laws or orders without argument. If a raving madman were to order someone to do something for nonsensical reasons, the actual order could be chaotic. If the person follows the order though without questioning it or defying it, then that person is Lawful.....

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Fair enough. My point was the quests kind of have various flavors. I did like the alignment chart- like I said, wasn't trying to nitpick- just the evil jobs kinda irked me.

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Originally Posted by Gamer3427

Lawful doesn't matter if the actual actions of the lawmaker can be considered chaotic, it simply matters about whether or not the person following the laws or orders without argument. If a raving madman were to order someone to do something for nonsensical reasons, the actual order could be chaotic. If the person follows the order though without questioning it or defying it, then that person is Lawful.....

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^ This is true. Obeying orders would be lawful.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

Fair enough. My point was the quests kind of have various flavors. I did like the alignment chart- like I said, wasn't trying to nitpick- just the evil jobs kinda irked me.

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I do understand what you mean by the whole evil thing. It certainly doesn't feel right to assign warriors of light to evil; however, within their spectrum of light could survive intentions.

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Originally Posted by ApolloGenX

Fair enough. My point was the quests kind of have various flavors. I did like the alignment chart- like I said, wasn't trying to nitpick- just the evil jobs kinda irked me.

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Certainly no ill will towards you on my end. I'm simply enjoying the debate over the character alignment system. It's rare that we can have a discussion on these forums that doesn't instantly delve into bitter arguments or hateful comments without anything to add.....

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

I mean, on one hand you say SMN are "summoning demons" but since they do it for the good of the party it makes them Neutral instead of Evil. Black Mages are channeling the power of the void for the good of the party. Why is that any different?

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Well, the reason why they would be neutral as opposed to evil would be because they respect the lives of the primals. Rather than harnessing dark powers, they are purifying controversial bad powers into controlled good. However, they are still neutral as opposed to good because they use that power to get rid of enemies. By killing other beasts, it could be hypocritical, as they are purifying and taming one while killing the other.

BLM, on the other hand, do not purify the black magic. They control the devastations and use it for more destruction, which isn't necessarily bad, but evil in terms of the WoL alignment spectrum of what evil can be.

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Originally Posted by Gamer3427

Certainly no ill will towards you on my end. I'm simply enjoying the debate over the character alignment system. It's rare that we can have a discussion on these forums that doesn't instantly delve into bitter arguments or hateful comments without anything to add.....

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I agree. I was surprised with the corrections, but I do agree with many reasonings posted. :--) I appreciate all the conversation and debate

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Originally Posted by Alexz

BRD: incapable of being Chaotic neutral because of low bard DPS. Chaotic because they're not archers, chose to risk archery on his own whim for poetry. Good because 1. low dps output and 2. buff/respect for party

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as brd main :

http://i.imgur.com/91vVSoh.gif

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

as brd main :

http://i.imgur.com/91vVSoh.gif

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LOL AHHHH

im so sorry LOL

I don't know if I'd consider WHM "good." Lore-wise, I'd put them rigidly at Lawful Neutral.

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They submit to the elementals completely (Law), and that means whatever the elementals say. Including letting people die at their will, or turning another cheek to outside problems entirely, as you see in the 50-60 WHM quests when the "good" option would have been aiding them. They finally snap out of it in the level 60 quest because the Warrior makes them, but it takes basically the entire forest being threatened to even consider action.

Also worth noting:
WHM and BLM are fundamentally similar. White magic caused the an Umbral Era just as much as Black Magic did, White Magic has been used more destructively in the past, just as much so as Black Magic. There's a reason it's banned.

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Originally Posted by CyrilLucifer

I don't know if I'd consider WHM "good." Lore-wise, I'd put them rigidly at Lawful Neutral.

Also worth noting:
WHM and BLM are fundamentally similar. White magic caused the an Umbral Era just as much as Black Magic did, White Magic has been used more destructively in the past, just as much so as Black Magic. There's a reason it's banned.

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True. In reply to your first argument, however, as stated before, that does not judge good vs evil; that judges lawful vs chaotic. They are lawful, but their obedience to authority does not make them evil. Additionally, WHM and BLM are similar because they are complete opposites, which would further strengthen them as being Lawful good and Chaotic Evil. Plus, good and evil and chaotic and lawful is not a matter of what is good and what is bad, but what is moral in accordance with their ideologies and parallels.