this is hardly an issue, because right now PLING isnt harming anyone nor making obstraction to players towards progression, iam pretty sure SE is more worried about how to make battle designs, redisgn maps etc, then cater your non-existant hardcore needs, if you truly think that it is a "major issue" then dont do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by KenJammin
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10-11-2011, 03:54 PMBearforce
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10-11-2011, 03:57 PMindira
so its ok to bot your XP?
you havent said anything about them.
maybe they dont want to be Free to play or dead like every other mmo since the early 2000's. patch 1.19 was a damn good patchQuote:
I don't care, let SE lock it, how could they not expect a huge outcry, have they never played an MMO from the 1990's before? This problem was addressed years ago why can't SE build on generations of gaming instead of constantly trying to re-invent the wheel...
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10-11-2011, 04:09 PMTravestyWell, they will be in no time if they leave in a method to get to the cap in a day, and extremely little end game content. That's the recipe for dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by indira
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10-11-2011, 04:16 PMKenJamminSorry my mistake, i edited my post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Travesty
Yep the counter arguments I get don't try to disprove the theory that it diminishes character worth but rather basically say, "We'll i'm max level now and I didn't have to play as much as you, why are you complaining so much?". I don't think expecting people to play for 2-3 months over a week makes me a hardcore purist, if they don't plan to play the game for more then 3 months why would SE want them paying a monthly subscription anyway?Quote:
Originally Posted by Denmo
The real disheartening part i'm clearly struggling to resolve internally is lets say best case scenario it does get addressed in 1.19a: Why didn't they look at the controversy of PLing more in depth before releasing it, and seek out more player feedback? Why was no testing done on the speed of PL experience done prior to releasing the patch?
Your comment raises an even more discouraging question: Is the development team going to take advise from a bunch of players who clearly have no respect for the games future but are only playing because they see it as a free game and not a beta?
Its clear yoshi-P's ideals are starting to conflict with one another, and he needs to decide on what kind of game he really wants this to be. I'm really questioning Yoshi-P's judgement on this one, I don't think anyone but fickle players actually get excited by the idea that they won't have to actually develop they're character or play style to reach max level. -
10-11-2011, 04:18 PMMunba
With all these threads around, i presume something will change soon lol. So i think you can stop to do them, they got it :D
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10-11-2011, 04:30 PMKenJamminYes it harms me, I can't compete with the player that has 5 jobs at rank 50. And if i invite friends to play who appreciate the process of leveling up, they can't compete with a community that consists largely of high rank players. I can't level up the normal way without the sinking feeling that i'm wasting a serious amount of time by not watching someone else kill monsters for me. If you think playing the game as opposed to watching the game make me a hardcore player then you need to seriously look at the level of attachment your trying to achieve to this specific MMO...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bearforce
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10-11-2011, 04:46 PMZeroeffectReally? You feel that you competing with people in this game? Play the game the way you and your friends want to play the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by KenJammin
If it takes you three months to hit 1 lvl50 so what as long as you did it. Competing in this game is stupid, If you want to compete go play some freaking football. -
10-11-2011, 04:56 PMoptionsOr play a game with pvp.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeroeffect
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10-11-2011, 05:02 PMJynxYeah they probably are totally not worried that all the content they introduced for the lower ranks will be obsoleted for no good reason.Quote:
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10-11-2011, 05:10 PMKenJamminThe point of an MMO is to level long term, if i'm just burning to max level so i can kill Ifrit and stop whats the point of all the low level dungons, leve's, solo content, slew of equipment, advancement of skills. The grind in this game is hardly hardcore at all and now that people have reduced themselves to playing once a week hitting max and stopping is just sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zeroeffect
Whats fun about watching your friends level you from 1-50? Its not about competing to be the best, its about putting the players who have a sense of accomplishment and attachment on a fair playing field as the players who gamesharked they're way through the ps1 era...
If you could cheat and get max money in an MMO yes that affects me directly, if you can cheat and get infinite exp in an mmo that affects me, I don't want to cheat I want to play the game the way it was intended to be played, and i think most players will agree that cheating in video games is boring.
Also what about all the players that are just rushing to 50 to have a max level character and not play with their friends? I had a guy offer me 300k to PL him today, and i see shouts for PL parties in ul'dah all the time. People will always take the path of least resistance in an MMO, they're not going to enjoy the game this way, they're just going to get bored with it and fail to appreciate the depth of combat when Ifrit spanks them over and over...
I know some of you see me as a totalitarian dictator that thinks everyone should be as miserable as me so that I can feel a fabricated sense of pride. I have a max level character already my concern isn't just for me but all the players who are going to take the path of least resistance and ruin the experience for not only me but themselves.
I'm going to quote Denmo again since i think his post really highlights the real disappointment of this controversy:
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I personally think it's amazing how many people came out of the woodwork in defense of PLing at it's broken EXP rates. Really shows the quality of the player base, and how little people really think of the game.