The game and its current state

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Originally Posted by Fersaken

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Or you know, you could talk with your friend, help him find resources for rotations and direct him to a dummy and have someone run a parser to help him improve too instead of removing them. Get everyone using food and stat pots to help push those numbers.

Also what is a Dragon Knight?

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

Also what is a Dragon Knight?

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It's what the DRG Job was occasionally mistranslated as in certain previous FF games (for instance, FFIX). So yeah, it's just another name (albeit, a pretentious one) for DRG.

In other languages the name for Dragoon directly translates to Dragon Knight.
At least that is what I believe the poster was intending to say.

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Originally Posted by Fevelle

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I use The Secret World as a comparison to this game a lot. Its story and side stories blows FFXIV's out of the water in my opinion if we want to compare MMO storylines. The quests themselves are more unique too in their formula. There are investigation quests that actually require research outside the game (such as one requiring you to figure out that you're supposed to scan a bar code, another where you have to translate morse code, etc).

I'm not really interested in comparing it to other MMOs though. I just take FFXIV's story for what it is to me - lackluster. Not compared to anything, just lackluster on its own. For an MMO, sure, it may be above average compared to most, I'll agree. But on its own, it isn't anything special for me.

It has not engaged me for the majority of it. The only time I've been engaged by XIV's story is for certain memorable characters and their deaths.

The strong points of this game for me are the combat, game systems (such as the ability for one character to play any job), and grinds that don't drive me to the brink of insanity or make me run out of things to do too quickly. Not the story. I have The Witcher 3 for example for my story desires.

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Originally Posted by Adire

I use The Secret World as a comparison to this game a lot. Its story and side stories blows FFXIV's out of the water in my opinion if we want to compare MMO storylines. The quests themselves are more unique too in their formula. There are investigation quests that actually require research outside the game (such as one requiring you to figure out that you're supposed to scan a bar code, another where you have to translate morse code, etc).

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Firstly, I think you're confusing the quality of the narrative with how the storyline is relayed to the player in the form of quests, because the two are totally different concepts. It seems to me your problem is how the quest system in FFXIV holds your hand with telling you where to go and what to do, rather than just giving you a basic hint and leaving it up to you to figure out yourself. In other words, like FFXI's style of questing:

http://ffxi.allakhazam.com/images/ha...illy-large.jpg

That is no exaggeration - that is exactly how FFXI's story and quests were handled.

Although some might find that style of questing to be fun, really in practice it turned out not to work quite so well - all it does is drive players to look up online guides for the information, inevitably leading it inaccurate and incomplete information as people struggle to find out what they have to do exactly and often just plain give up. All the ARR system of questing does is cut out this middleman and tell you what you need to do simply. If it's that much of an issue, turn off the Duty List and quest notifications in the Config.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Firstly, I think you're confusing the quality of the narrative with how the storyline is relayed to the player in the form of quests, because the two are totally different concepts. It seems to me your problem is how the quest system in FFXIV holds your hand with telling you where to go and what to do, rather than just giving you a basic hint and leaving it up to you to figure out yourself. In other words, like FFXI's style of questing: (more coming)

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Nope. I'm not fond of the narrative either.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Although some might find that style of questing to be fun, really in practice it turned out not to work quite so well - all it does is drive players to look up online guides for the information, inevitably leading it innacurate and incomplete quests as people struggle to find out what they have to do exactly. All the ARR system of questing does is cut out this middleman and tell you what you need to do simply. If it's that much of an issue, turn off the Duty List and quest notifications in the Config.

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The Secret World's investigation quests actually turned out well. In fact, it's one of the most praised things about the game's questing system. It requires the community to work together sometimes, other times it simply requires you to use your brain on your own. You could always spoil the fun if you wanted, but you don't have to. And when quests are first released, it's always been really fun to see the community work together to figure them out.

Not sure if you've heard of The Black Watchmen, but it's a "game" with a similar take on things. The vagueness of the quests in FFXI seem to me more like laziness to try and make them challenging by just simply leaving details and forcing you to fill them in out of nowhere rather than intentionally making them challenging without being just vague, as in TSW.

Well, that's fair enough, but really, it's not like some previous FF games have truly remarkable storylines either (my own opinion of course but since FFX, the quality of storylines of FF games has, been a mixed bunch, from FFX's ridiculous dream people, to FFXII's 'Star Wars Episode IV in Ivalice', to the impenetrable psychobabble that was FFXIII's story and it's sequels - even FFXI's storyline ran off the rails eventually with recent expansions (the retconning started with Wings of the Goddess and continuing right through with the addons) contradicting previous storylines and rendering the earlier extended original narrative moot.

It seems to me that given your earlier comment about preferring The Secret World to FFXIV, it's more you're comparing apples to oranges - both are MMORPGs, but have totally different settings and storylines, and thus maybe this game really isn't your cup of tea. Personal preference for a particular genre is different to a game having 'issues', as your preference is purely subjective - based on your own individual tastes rather than any underlying design flaw with the game. So again, I think FFXIV ARR simply isn't for you.

Did you play any previous Final Fantasy, Adire? Because the formula is the same, and it was well implemented with the MMO difficulties of developing characters without transformig it in a river of cutscenes.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

Well, that's fair enough, but really, it's not like previous FF games have truly remarkable storylines either (my own opinion of course but since FFX, the storylines of FF games has, been a mixed bunch, from FFX's ridiculous dream people, to FFXII's 'Star Wars Episode IV in Ivalice', to the impenetrable psychobabble that was FFXIII and it's sequels - even FFXI's ran off the rails eventually with recent expansions contradicting previous storylines and rendering the earlier stories moot.

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I wouldn't know much about FF history to be honest. The only other FF game I've played besides this was FFX. I did enjoy its story though.

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

That is no exaggeration - that is exactly how FFXI's story and quests were handled.

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As much as I love XI and kind of prefer when a quest doesn't tell you the exact location and what not of where to go, SE just took vagueness to a whole new level.
There was actually one mission, think in Zilart, that actually said "find a mithra, she's somewhere in the world" and that was it lol