A1 Savage Astrologian PoV

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Originally Posted by Arragomis

Psycho this is where you are wrong. The Healers did their jobs, the dps did theirs. the tanks theirs. THe astro supported its party with well timed buffs and heals. The thing about A1s is its not as aoe intensive as people make it out to be. THere are aoes yes. But you dont spam aoe heals, you Hot and wait ands pot heal as needed. The fairy alone has the ability to top off after HOT rolling its not as heal intensive as people complain. There are specific times AOE goes out, and there is specific times when tanks need top offs.They apparently knew when toheal and when not to.The cards helped push the dps, helped resource management, and the astro healed "efficiently"so did the sch. Neither carried the other THIS is how communication works. They are great heals in capable hands.. but TERRIBLE heals in the hand of players who are used to spamming medica. I will say it again. Astro are a spot heal/focus heal healer.

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I am aware that they are not a WHM or SCH, however casting 3 aoe heals the entire 10 minute fight is not pulling your weight in the aoe department as much as you should. Sure eos can just whispering dawn every minute, sure the sch can waste a stack of aetherflow for indom, or waste 1300 MP on a emergency tactics succor, the sch is pretty much carrying the group in the aoe department, and you cannot say otherwise. Just because the AST "isnt a whm" doesn't mean they aren't supposed to aoe. It's the fact they simply CAN'T aoe heal without going oom in a fight like that. It's because of that reason the sch is unable to increase dps with selene, or go cleric to help with DPS, sure they are a healer, and healers heal, but in the progression world you often need to help dps to make progress.

Astro needs help, please stop trying to play it off with "oh they are helping the raid with their cards." They really ARE NOT. It has been shown that selene helps with dps more than a AST with their cards. Sure the newly fixed MP TP cards are useful, but AST's utility simply does not outweigh their weakness. Period.

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Originally Posted by TatoRazzino

I was doing A1 Savage as SCH yesterday, because my group can't meet DPS checks without me going over 460 DPS on Faust as SCH (my peak was 560), and during oppressors I was having to do a lot to help my WHM partner, because he was struggling to keep his targets alive (we split the group in two, to not overheal). Next week, I'll get back to my Astro (which was doing fine, by the way) and things will be easier, since I spotted a lot of windows to use my specific cooldowns during the Oppressors and my AoE healing will be better than SCH's even in Nocturnal.

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So.... how exactly was your AST better than a SCH/WHM combo? Care to elaborate further? I'm genuinly interested in knowing. What about the DPS check on AST/I'm guessing WHM? Combo. And how is nocturnal better than SCH? How would it be easier to help out the WHM keeping his targets alive than as a SCH?

I have a literal legit questions to a lot of the Pro-Astrologians. What are we trying to prove? Maybe I can get on the same page.

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Originally Posted by Lorielle

I have a literal legit questions to a lot of the Pro-Astrologians. What are we trying to prove? Maybe I can get on the same page.

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Not "pro" anything. This video is a useful resource for people who just like to play AST and for devs to see AST in play. All the negativity does nothing for the game and saying "lol gg sch and eos for carrying" is just terrible for the actual player behind the AST.

Yes AST needs work but its still /playable/ and sometimes people just want to have fun and play a different class.

So a Astro does A1 Savage and the first things out of people's mouth are "lol gg sch carried ?"

Thought the point of Astro was to support the other healer and the party through the use of buffs ?

This pretty much confirms what is already known. The card effects are minuscule and barely have any impact on the fight and I could barely see them being used at all, the skill was off cooldown for the majority of the fight. Sure, you can do a party wide balance (5% buff) at the start but that's about it. Other than that, all I see is basic healing with barely managing on mana. I also did not see "Disable" being used on tank busters. You also used swift cast for group heals instead of lightspeed. I commend your party for not making any mistakes and kudos for your SCH for carrying an AST, but this wasn't a convincing video unfortunately.

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Originally Posted by Arragomis

The thing about A1s is its not as aoe intensive as people make it out to be. THere are aoes yes. But you dont spam aoe heals, you Hot and wait ands pot heal as needed. The fairy alone has the ability to top off after HOT rolling its not as heal intensive as people complain... They are great heals in capable hands.. but TERRIBLE heals in the hand of players who are used to spamming medica. I will say it again. Astro are a spot heal/focus heal healer.

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I will always agree any job is great when in capable hands, so is the AST. However, the point is not about are they capable to do X or Y things for Z content, the question is how much efforts and ressources (MP, GCD, CD, cards) they need to use in order to be capable of that. And for now they need to work so much more than any of the 2 others healers just to have the same result. I don't see how it is fair, even if it comes down to "it's the AST gameplay, it's a support healer/a spot healer".

Another thing I want to ask you is you said fights like A1s are not aoe intensive so you don't need that much AOE. Well and what will happen if the next fights are ? What if A1s was very intensive in the contrary ? Would you still count on the SCH fairy, would you still top individually ppl ?

Anyway, for me the biggest issue of AST is the range of spells, it's worse than any of his supposed issues for the moment in my opinion. No healing AOE more than 15y, you are NEVER going to hit everyone in fight were ppl are spread. Celestial opposition seriously, it's supposed to be an AOE support spell, why is the range so short then ? And the range of cards I don't even want to talk about it... In A1s for example if you're lucky, you still won't hit the 2 tanks. Okay they are not dps and what ? the cards are supposed to be the main chore of the job and we can't even use it on everyone, that's really sad when you have a good combo and you try your best to position yourself but whatever you'll do it will always be lost in some way. It's always lost already because it's RRed so it's hurting a lot!

Asto is far far from needing help.yeah fix two of our cooldown and let us change stances but our aoe is way stronger then the scholar and range on helios is not a big deal. Raid need to time resin bombs s bit better to give your team an easier time to move around.

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Originally Posted by Vlady

Asto is far far from needing help.yeah fix two of our cooldown and let us change stances but our aoe is way stronger then the scholar and range on helios is not a big deal. Raid need to time resin bombs s bit better to give your team an easier time to move around.

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Sch aoe is on par if not greater than AST in nocturnal. Indomniability trumps anything that AST brings in aoe healing. Emergency Tactics Succor is very usable in raids. Whispering Dawn is far better than anything a Nocturnal AST brings. Deployed Adloquium is scarely powerful, and seriously trumps anything that AST brings to the party. Also bare in mind that Fey Illumination used in conjunction with any of the above is greater than anything that AST brings when comparing the 2 classes. So another Vlady misnomer disproved, next one please.

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Originally Posted by Vlady

Asto is far far from needing help.yeah fix two of our cooldown and let us change stances but our aoe is way stronger then the scholar and range on helios is not a big deal. Raid need to time resin bombs s bit better to give your team an easier time to move around.

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If you want to give opinions, please doing it well. Your answers bring nothing on this thread. Except to say that AST is almost perfect they are totally useless, especially when it has been proven several times that this is totally false.