Kind of wishing Bards had kept Healer LB.

im just saying its being made into something bigger than it has to be. was morre so hoping this thread would be more so about the utility a dps with healer limit break could bring to a party and not over mis-use or someone stealing anothers thunder

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Originally Posted by Adire

I don't think life lessons and overthinking are necessary here.

I just want bards and machinists to realize they're holding up the group that much more when they waste LB, that's all. :)

No need to get too deep or analyze the purpose of our lives and paths to happiness over this, it's just a game.

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Is this life lesson not applicable here? :p But I think I did get a little wordy. What I'm saying is don't sweat the small stuff. People make mistakes. It's silly to expect them not to.

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Originally Posted by Kolaina

im just saying its being made into something bigger than it has to be. was morre so hoping this thread would be more so about the utility a dps with healer limit break could bring to a party and not over mis-use or someone stealing anothers thunder

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It's about both, really. Inefficient usage of LB trending with bards and machinists, and the fact that they have a weak, narrow LB that can easily miss and does low damage when they previously had a potential group-saving LB.

Bard LB has gone from a potential group saver to near useless damage, adding more likelihood that it will be misused and is still inferior to other LBs.

It might be somewhat useful when you have 2 bards, but even then it's still almost useless just because of the sheer pathetic amount of damage it does. In most situations, it is useless completely because it's inferior to melee and caster lb. And as such, it is more easily used wrong.

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Originally Posted by WellFooled

Is this life lesson not applicable here? :p But I think I did get a little wordy. What I'm saying is don't sweat the small stuff. People make mistakes. It's silly to expect them not to.

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Not really. I don't normally mind small mistakes and such, but after doing so many runs where I never even had the chance to LB because someone got trigger happy and after seeing so many people do it at the worst possible times, I wanted to rant a bit.

Its one thing to want to try to use the new LB to experience it. Its another to ride the LB button and snipe it from melee dps on single target fights. I never see a ranged use it on a big pull or on sets of adds in fights, but they seem to love LBing bosses.

And missing, which makes me grin at their fail.

I wish that the DEV crew would reconsider and have each class branch into more jobs like SMN/SCH. Such missed potential.

They could have branched off an made it Ranger, Sniper or Assassin~

Let BRD stay supportish and keep the healer LB (Its not often needed but it felt good when it was!)

I miss the old LB.

so let the little brds and mch's have fun for now, let them experiment. if i had not hit the lb3 during ravana ex(easy fast clears so we were seeing various lb3 animations) i would not have been able to figure out the benefits or proper use of my brd LB. yes in cases of efficiency mostly useless compared to a melee single target or caster huge aoe limit break. but running first floor of alexander with 3 melee my straight narrow line became efficient when lined up with both targets. its early still and all trends die out in time or at least calm down

If there is a situation that Brd really need to use healer lb3 ... Its already most likely 50% wiped .... or even more

Well, do you blame us? I mean, I've literally lost count of all the times my parties have sat on the limit break or waited till the last 5% before using it. I was in a Neverreap run, with a Dragoon as the other DD and both first bosses he never used it. I asked and he practically said, "Waste of time unless you're impatient."... So, yeah, do you blame us? We're just thinking, "You use that limit, soldier, or I'll find someone who can!"

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Originally Posted by Gilraen

Well, do you blame us? I mean, I've literally lost count of all the times my parties have sat on the limit break or waited till the last 5% before using it. I was in a Neverreap run, with a Dragoon as the other DD and both first bosses he never used it. I asked and he practically said, "Waste of time unless you're impatient."... So, yeah, do you blame us? We're just thinking, "You use that limit, soldier, or I'll find someone who can!"

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Can't blame for using it in that situation, can blame you if you use it in the ways mentioned in my OP or don't even give the melee a chance to use it.

People say the old BRD healer LB was useless quite often, however I have been in situations (not often but it happens) where a BRD LB3 has saved the party when the healers have both gone down.'

Giving them an AOE LB was unnecessary, the casters had that covered and the old BRD LB was a good piece of raid utility for the "support DPS" job.

This means that now in 8 man content the only way to prevent a wipe in the event both healers go down is to have a SMN in the party rez them assuming you have one in the group.

As for the issue of 2 BRDs meaning that there is no useable LB in 4 man content, well LBs arent really necessary in a 4 man dungeon, just a nice bonus.

I've been using it in dungeons because the other dps tends to say it's a waste? Im not normally dps but what's the point of saving when they aint using it? Oh and still don't understand mch LB properly yet and ive not seen LB3.