Competative dps for BRD and MCH

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Originally Posted by seekified

I want to point out that there are MCHs parsing about 1050 sustained, which is pretty much what I do as DRG at the moment. I play MCH too though and I agree that while it's incredibly fun it feels a lot less powerful for the effort it takes to DPS optimally.

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you are literally the only person to say this ever, please show proof and the rotation of how all mch can not suck, especially after today's nerf.

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Originally Posted by seekified

I want to point out that there are MCHs parsing about 1050 sustained, which is pretty much what I do as DRG at the moment. I play MCH too though and I agree that while it's incredibly fun it feels a lot less powerful for the effort it takes to DPS optimally.

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That is food, party, pot, DRG disembowel and pre rapid fire fix. Was no MCH solo doing 1050 without lucky procs and crits before and they definitely not doing it now.

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Originally Posted by Pluvia

For those who can read JPN
http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...45#post3089145
I would expect some MCH changes as well

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Unfortunately the most I can gather from that whole post using google translate is WM is bad, and something to do with the status quo haha xD

Never been very good at discerning thing from Google Translate, the translation it gives makes as much sense as what I tried to translate in the first place to me -_-

At least it's a Dev post, I'll take that as a good sign.

I would really like one focusing on MCH too though

I'm sure SE is trolling us with the hotfix today, "No more insta cast Gauss for you! We'll make this barely usuable skill even more unuseable before we even talk about balancing."

Great... Thanks SE for fixing this with a balance update -_-

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Originally Posted by HeavensSword

Yamochan gave a good translation of it in the Bard complaint thread.

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Tyvm.

Hmm reading it i hope they don't just carbon copy such it for MCH Gauss.

For some reason it just seems MCH should be 2 stances, a cannonier more "boom boom" BLM type playstyle and then the more mobile BRD, Shammy totem type playstyle for lazy people :P

For balance it would be easy to set the stance before fights and lock it like AST, or keep the cast time so switching mid fight will be done only under extreme circumstances.

Lets BRD be it's mobile self, but pls SE switch it up for MCH.

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Originally Posted by Underdog2204

Unfortunately the most I can gather from that whole post using google translate is WM is bad haha xD

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It indeed only mentions BRD.

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Originally Posted by Underdog2204

Unfortunately the most I can gather from that whole post using google translate is WM is bad, and something to do with the status quo haha xD

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Yamochan gave a good translation of it in the Bard complaint thread.

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Originally Posted by yamochan

wow at least a tiny step up a big big mountain of crap ^^

so here is the what the dev post says basicly:
Wanderer's Minuet:
Development team is aware of the following:
Generally, DPS is larger when not under Minuet.
Bards' specialty of "Ability to attack while moving" is impacted when under Minuet, hard to see benefits of being in Minuet.
Unwieldy to change stances.

Due to the degree to which the above points are felt by the community, especially the first point (Less damage in Minuet), the development team is looking into changes.

They're looking to change the effect (but not increase damage too much), make it easier to switch between stances, and reduce the difficulty and general clunkiness with the current Bard.

Warden's Paean:
Generally treated as hard to use/low value, development team is looking into it.

Bloodletter Bug:
Fixed in hotfix.

Also a bit about waiting for player feedback from Alexander before committing any further changes

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Originally Posted by FreyrPrime

Kind of a cross post, but my static downed Bis EX for the first time last night. We met all the DPS checks easily, including killing him in the 3rd phase after only 3 "mounts".

We ran with a BRD and MCH, and it was never a struggle. For reference we had PLD/WAR/AST/SCH/DRG/NIN/BRD/MCH

BRD and MCH might be a little under tuned, but don't let it discourage you. Any group not willing to take one honestly needs to take a hard look at themselves as players rather than blaming a class.

P.S: We're working on Rav EX right now, and the parts we're struggling with definitely aren't the DPS checks. Shield and adds die in short order.

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Yes, there are some good players out there who are doing their best to make the most of what they have. Those are the rare few. This is not to say that we should buff BRD/MCN to stupid levels of OP'ness to compensate for the lowest common denominator. But some people are forgetting that just because the top few can make it "good enough" doesn't justify it's current state.

i cant wait to see alex savage. Skill ceiling rose so high on other jobs these days im pretty sure alex savage should do some severe hurt to at least non brd dps. It's beyond unrealistic for blms and drgs to achieve dps comparable to dummy dps, always was ofc but now so much more so. I bet if brd receives a small buff and a few tweaks dps figures shouldn't be varying as greatly in a fight worth talking about and not lolextreme primals.

I really laugh when I see groups blaming brd for failing bis ex when brd does probably the most dps on bismarks back if he saves cds. Bismark is such a triviality, it's more a "do u know your rotation and know how to burst" check than dps check. Bis ex has no gate, like how garuda ex gated titan ex, so you are gonna see all types of players in pf...