The best way to incentivize clear party participation... is to not be a jerk to those joining. It's the attitudes and the anger that makes joining clear parties a pariah among the general player base. People play this game to have fun, and while organizing and running clear groups may be fun for some most play games to get away from work and stress. I can have every bit as much fun from a failed run as I can a successful one IF everyone at least gave their best effort and noone flipped a lid at failing. But it's so very rare I find that kind of relaxed play even in such venues as Crystal Tower and High Roulette. Relax, learn to be patient, and you'll get more people and we'll get a better community for it.
How to encourage players to help out with clears on pf
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05-04-2015, 06:55 AMGilraen
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05-04-2015, 07:14 AMDarra
Some of us don't need an incentive, in terms of an in game reward. What we'd like is for people that we're helping to actually be thankful and not act like dicks. I've seen many of the "elitist" attitudes people often talk about, but very few seem to point out that the less experienced are just as bad. I know the OP is talking about PF's specifically, but I feel DF's give veterans a bad taste of dealing with the inexperienced. For the last 4 weeks I've been doing Garuda, Titan and Ifrit Extreme in DF. Ifrit is almost pleasant, it can be brute forced with echo even with players tripping up and they seem polite overall and even thank you for advice or carrying them. The other 2 are much harder and the attitudes in them make me not want to help people in DFs any more. 2/3 Titan runs end up with mediocre players kicking the guy/girl struggling the most with plumes/landslides (whilst occasionally being hit themselves), and on a rare occasion, trying to abuse me for giving advice (apparently saying the fight can be finished without a second tank makes one a "know it all prick"). Then there is Garuda Ex, this is by far the worst. Only the DPS seem willing to admit that they are inexperienced, many players just wont bother acknowledging you've said something or asked them a question, or they just don't listen to you when you give them tips so 8/10 groups end up with me quitting first or after someone else has quit. So after putting up with so much of that in DF's, to then get the same behavior in PF's, it just puts me off joining many groups, and I don't doubt that it puts off some others too.
The second thing I'd point out, is that it's very easy for people to ignore a PF group, it's an entirely different thing if a person receives a /tell asking for help. Ignoring a PF or /shout is easy because you're not really rejecting an actual person, these recruitment methods result in diffusion of responsibility (for lack of a better term to apply here) in my eyes, I see a shout/PF and think "someone else will do it" or "someone else can do it". However, having received a /tell asking for help, saying "no" or ignoring it is a bit of a different experience. I've received a few /tells (very very rare), asking me for crafting tips or asking me to help them in dungeons or with primals and Coil clears, if I am bored and it's a fight that I like, I am more likely to join them than if I saw it in a PF or read a /shout chat. -
05-04-2015, 08:06 AMAshkendorVery true. I got a tell from someone the other day in Mor Dhona asking me to help them with T9.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darra
I was making dinner at the time or I totally would have gone. :c -
05-04-2015, 08:26 AMAivi_lo
Lol surprised you could see any tells through the rmt static noise