The final part of ARR story doesn't make enough sense.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

The whole point of having us run that "quick errand" was entirely that Momodi was the only person (besides Laurentius) who knew about it. Momodi can't testify we didn't know what was in it, and it was a rushed errand before the feast so it's unlikely we really talked to anyone else about it.

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Who says this? We could have talked to so many people about it. And who said that I took the vial with me? I would not. Why should I? It's an empty vial I surely don't carry around with me to such a meeting, even less when I don't know what's in it. Could be anything. Even poison!

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Originally Posted by Dalvy

They weren't The sole people in that room, and aren't the only heads on the beast. With that many witnesses and with no proof of innocence, people are going to lean in favor of the accusers.

Also, how would you hide killing politicians at a banquet? How COULD you have the moment to think of attacking Lolorito after Raubahn asks you to run?

Heroics and bloodlust aren't going to solve as large of a plot as this. Again, how is slaughtering people once Raubahn frees us change the situation in our favor?

The WoL could not do anything to improve the situation; we are not as badass as we think.

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Why hiding? They killed the Sultana. Reason enough to kill them. Who should prove the opposite? How hide killing the leader of the land at a banquet? As said: you people just don't want to think about it. That's the main problem. You don't even care about what can happen now. Sure, it's just a game, who cares. It's not like we care, that we already slaughtered thousands of people...

But well, that's not the point of this thread. If you don't even try to think about all the devastating possibilities and simple believe in good faith everything what you were served... pointless.

We all were forced to let fascists gain power in Uldah. Some people don't like that, other say, that's cool, totally makes sense and was the only right thing. Whatever...

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Originally Posted by RobinRethiel

What's the difference? He's in power now. He can (almost) do what he wanst. There is no one who can hinder him. The Sultana IS dead. Raubahn IS imprisoned. Since they get so easily away with all this, it would be even easier to also get the new Lala commander imprisoned for treason. He is Raubahn's "son", no?

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Hes not in power, he may pull strings with a dead puppet but he has the rest of the syndicate to deal with, and not all of them agree with him, and some of them are very powerful (Godbert among others). He hasn't even got any evidence on Pipin, whom now controls the flames, flat out arresting Pipin without actual cause would get the rest of the syndicate on him and a large army of flames. The only reason Raubahn isn't on the syndicate right now was he commited murder infront of a international audience.

Does not change the fact that the WoL was found alone with a dead sultana, and has no proof of innocence to challenge the claims. They're obviously false to some npcs, but there is no way for the WoL to have convinced the public that you didn't kill her. Not in that short span of time. No one was going to step up in your defense that isn't already being subjected to investigation, either; you won't see Kann-E or Merl helping because that could mean war with Ul'dah.

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Originally Posted by RobinRethiel

Who says this? We could have talked to so many people about it. And who said that I took the vial with me? I would not. Why should I? It's an empty vial I surely don't carry around with me to such a meeting, even less when I don't know what's in it. Could be anything. Even poison!

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And I could have sat around, gotten a few Alexandrite, maybe played a game of b-ball or two at the Gold Saucer. From the storyline's perspective we didn't bother telling anyone because we were rushed and didn't think it was important, so we took it with us. That's all there is to it.

He's part of this Syndicate (which now got exactly three other guys left...), and this Syndicate is actually pretty much slaughtering all the consortiums and that in mere days, as a merchant in Uldah is directly telling us. So obviously the Syndicate got no problem with all this. I don't know if Godbert knows of this - or simply does not care, because he is somewhere else, hunting monsters to make trinkets out of them.

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Originally Posted by Cilia

And I could have sat around, gotten a few Alexandrite, maybe played a game of b-ball or two at the Gold Saucer. From the storyline's perspective we didn't bother telling anyone because we were rushed and didn't think it was important, so we took it with us. That's all there is to it.

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The whole scene smelled. Someone wants to meet us out in nowhere, is not there, just a vial and suddenly one of the blue jackets is showing up, far offside the streets. No, I would for sure not carry something like that around with me. I would have given it to someone to check it. As said, there could be anything in it. Even poison...

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Originally Posted by RobinRethiel

The whole scene smelled. Someone wants to meet us out in nowhere, is not there, just a vial and suddenly one of the blue jackets is showing up, far offside the streets. No, I would for sure not carry something like that around with me. I would have given it to someone to check it. As said, there could be anything in it. Even poison...

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I thought something was fishy, though at first not so much since it was Alianne who called you out. I figured maybe she was on Riol's side and helping to unravel the conspiracy, and felt she might have been assassinated en route like Wilred. Laurentius showing up instead was the first sign something was seriously wrong. Momodi telling me not to worry about the vial made me uneasy. Then when the Sultana picked up her goblet I connected the dots in the real world fast enough to tell her not to drink it. My character didn't figure it out until Nanamo was choking though, and by then it was too late.

Could have given it to Severian at the Alchemists' Guild, but wouldn't have gotten a thorough analysis for some time (probably) and again, we were rushed in-story.

The PC got duped and used by Lolorito, end of story. Just accept it.

I honestly called what happened as soon as Laurentis was walking away. But to be honest I've seen it so many times in stories it was an obvious plot to me. However going from the Character's point of view and such, the WoL was the one who recruited Laurentis, so to them there was no foul play in what was going on especially considering they thought he wanted to turn a new leaf (the whole Benefit of a doubt stuff). They didn't see the looks that we saw from Laurentis. Second of all as I'm so fond of saying quotes and stuff. "Actions speak louder than words" and at this point in time with the WoL not resisting the detaining looks better to the people as opposed to him/her putting up this huge fight or argument. Remember your character did try to deny it from Adeleji however he refused to listen to it. Thirdly, how would you feel if you just watched someone literally choke to death right in front of your eyes. I know I myself would be in such a shock that things would be barely registering to me. With the grand company leaders they can't let themselves be embroiled in the internal affairs of other nations (even if they wanted to and the twelve know that the Admiral was about to until one of her aids had to stop her) that is a bad political move on their part and can harm more than help the whole Alliance.

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Originally Posted by RobinRethiel

Would be hard to explain this, no? And if they are really that brutal: THAT would be the main reason to NOT run. They are fascists. We just let fascists come to power in Uldah. GREAT! What do you think this people would do now, if this would be real?

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The Syndicate have been in charge longer than Nanamo was ever Sultana. THEY actually run the place. The Blades are the Privet Army of Lord Lolorito while the Crystal Braves were in the back pocket of Taledji Adaledji almost from the start until Adaledji died. So next in line for the Braves is, Naturally, Lolorito who may or may not have been pulling Adaledji's strings.

And how would a group of foreigners look if they disappeared after being accused of crimes? As I said the WoL and The Leveilleur twins would be the only ones worth imprisoning. The others are all foreigners of one type or another that would not be missed. Plus their disappearance before their "Trial" would discredit The WoL with accusations of them escaping and fleeing the nation like cowards. When in reality their rotting corpses would be in the gut of a Giant Sand Worm some where in South Thanalan,


This is how the Syndicate has always operated. Oh and their is waaaay more than three of them. The General and Adaledji may not be Syndicate any more but there were a half dozen others besides them and Lolorito. Including Godbert Manderville. So it seems to me you really haven't been in Ul'dah very long because this is business as usual there. Only thing unusual is that the Sultana is dead. And I can asure you a man like lolorito had no desire to be a king when he's far more powerful from the shadows.

And they aren't facists by any means. They are capitalists in the darkest and most sinister form. What Lolorito is, is known as a Machiavellian, one whom only sees others in monetary value. And to him Nanamo, the scions, and the WoL had become liabilities instead of assets. Adaledji may have been the next one on his list but Adaledji's mouth took care of that for Lolorito.

speaking of adeleji's death as a side note... was I the only one who started screaming out "YES!" repeatedly when Raubahn did the deed?

on another side note... heh... Thancred took the proverbial "arrow to the knee" literally

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Originally Posted by Rannie

speaking of adeleji's death as a side note... was I the only one who started screaming out "YES!" repeatedly when Raubahn did the deed?

on another side note... heh... Thancred took the proverbial "arrow to the knee" literally

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I KNOW RIGHT!! On both accounts. the General sarted seeing red and I was like "Oh he's gonna get it now!!! Kill That Midget Bastard Rauban!!!!" and then I saw Thancred get shot and was like "Well looks like he finally took an arrow to the knee. Just not how he would have liked". Imagine if he lived afterwards that we're in 4.0 or something and he's retired. He sees a new rectue and go "I was a Scion once, like you, then I took an Arrow to the Knee".