SE, you underestimate your power with the cash shop

Not seeing too many complaints of the items or events pertaining other FF or other (Dragonqeust) games already in FFXIV. Let people spend their money as they see fit, as long as items are implemented appropriately and development resources allocated properly. From my understanding of lore and such, no one should have Sliepnir or Zantetsuken except Odin, but we have them both available by separate means.

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Originally Posted by Kairus

Not seeing too many complaints of the items or events pertaining other FF or other (Dragonqeust) games already in FFXIV. Let people spend their money as they see fit, as long as items are implemented appropriately and development resources allocated properly. From my understanding of lore and such, no one should have Sliepnir or Zantetsuken except Odin, but we have them both available by separate means.

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When it comes to vanity items I'd say most of the rage comes from not being able to obtain the cash shop items in game with some other method, not because people care how others spend their money. A lot of people don't think they should have to spend more than the subscription they're paying to access all content, including glamour, and personally I agree with them.

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Originally Posted by Riepah

Yeah, damn right! They should also increase the subscription fee tenfold! This game isn't for poor people!

EDIT: Just in case anyone wondered... no, I am not serious. I hope the guy I quoted wasn't, either. But I'm afraid he was.

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What's really funny is that SE has a history of seeing posts like this and actually doing it :/

remember: Sarcasm + SE = exasperated tears.

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

Are we really going to get into what P2W means again?

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Come now. This is the internet we speak of. Of course there'll be repeat wars almost every single day. :p

*Ahem*

Being a subscription game, I'm not very fond of the idea of a cash shop for the game... at least in terms of giving buffs in any way. As it currently stands, it's merely cosmetic stuff. I can make do without the cosmetic stuff honestly. Though I feel for those who wish they could earn the stuff in the cash shop in different ways. (Especially the dyes. I feel the dyes should have just simply been in the game without having to pay for them)

The only things I've spent on in there are Odin's Horse, Wind-up Y'shtola, (What? It's adorable damn it!) and a few pots of Metallic Blue Dye, and one Metallic Red Dye.

EDIT: ... oh. And the wedding for my character too.

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Originally Posted by Pinkie_Pie

And so on, Star wars the old republic is doing this and they make a killing people buying their outfits.

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Must you give them any more ideas??

I already pay two subs for this game, why do I want to dump more into the cash shop?

Cash shop is such a horrible invention. Never thought SE would stoop so low.

Is there a way to delete people from real life?

I for one, unlike the stereotypical American, am not like "shut up and take my money." I like to make my spending count, as would anyone else I would think who isn't made of money.

I don't pay a sub just so that I can be allowed to pay even more for every little thing.

I thought it was a beautiful thing that this game was the only one I had ever played to not have a proper cash shop in it. When they added one, I was quite disappointed. I am at least happy that the cash shop updates have been quite minor and slow, but if that were to change, I'd be out of here in a heartbeat and would go back to playing F2P MMOs, as there would be no difference essentially between this and those except that this would cost a lot more just to even play.

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Originally Posted by Everdark

What's really funny is that SE has a history of seeing posts like this and actually doing it :/

remember: Sarcasm + SE = exasperated tears.

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I think this is reaching. They don't do this type of thing because of forum posts >_>
And by the way... and this is going to REALLY stir the pot here...increasing our subscription fee actually IS warranted.
In order to stay profitable("b-b-b-but they'd still be profitable with our fees!" yeah investors want to see the numbers grow, not stagnate. There needs to be a wide profit margin or else a venture is considered a failure and the stock loses value), especially with the staggeringly high and growing development costs, SE was basically presented with a choice: Raise our subscriptions, or add a cash shop.
Raising our subscription would cheese EVERYONE off. Adding a cash shop is merely divisive.
Guess which one companies prefer?
It's the same reason bigger budget games are churning out Season passes and day one DLC. The average price for games has not gone up with inflation in the U.S. (Japan is a different story) so even if you sell a million copies, you're not making as much money as if you sold 700k copies 10 years ago.
Now a lot of this is symptomatic of a bigger problem that no one has quite found the solution to yet.

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Originally Posted by Quesse

Cash shop is such a horrible invention. Never thought SE would stoop so low.

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To reiterate my point: would you rather a cash shop exist, or pay more money per month?

Or how about instead of abusing the stupid cash shop, you make those items available to unlock by ACTUALLY PLAYING THE GAME.

If you missed an event item the mog station allows you to pick it up. That's the only thing the cash shop should allow.

Everything should be unlockable through playing the game we subscribe for.

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Originally Posted by kyuven

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Cause over the 12 year lifetime of FFXI, sub rates rose and cashshops introduced, oh wait no they didn't. Also this game definitely didn't do better than even SE anticipated putting a surplus... yet now the game is doing so bad that it needed a cash shop?

In fact, Yoshi himself said because they did not have to pay back an investment to investors like other companies, they didn't have to go F2P or introduce things like cash shops if things start to dip... unlike SWOR or Tera.

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Originally Posted by Yoshi-P;

Now, you have Blizzard and you have Square Enix. We’re the only two companies in the industry, basically, that are making MMOs with our own money. That gives us an advantage, because where other companies have to get money from investors and have to pay that back, we don’t have a lot of time to build slowly and be able to pay that back. Investors want their returns right away. With Square Enix and Blizzard, because we’re putting our own money into it, we don’t have those investors to worry about, and that means we can release something and maybe take a little bit of a hit at the beginning, but as long as we’re increasing the amount of people we have, then we’ll get that money and make the players happy. We’ll get into that cycle I talked about before, where we’re creating good content and have that steady income to keep the cycle going.

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