I'm sick of it.

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Originally Posted by Staris

I beg to differ, as it was solo healed by a WHM.

That said I find them pretty balanced.

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You're right. Lets all meld into vit. Totally the most efficient strat. #1. 7k HP BRD, highest deeps you'll ever see.

PS: They still had a SMN for Virus. Funny thing about that. No good groups run SMN's anymore. I'm just saiyan.

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Originally Posted by Nerael

I don't understand why people are bashing one class over another. We are in the Healer subforums, we should be bashing lousy DPS or Tanks :P

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I wouldn't know why either, but I probably don't even want to know. Judging by some of the replies I've seen over the months, the inner workings of the mind of a Hipster SCH Bandwagoner is probably a terrifying thing. :p

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Originally Posted by Nerael

I don't understand why people are bashing one class over another. We are in the Healer subforums, we should be bashing lousy DPS or Tanks :P

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I'd say the SCH has a edge in solo healing content that is no longer in progression, once you are at the point where you no longer need the higher healing output of the WHM.

Only fools would claim that the SCH is a better healer in general.

The thing is, once everyone gets everything right, the healing output of the SCH is just enough and it has virutally endless MP and a easier time to put some DPS while doing that stuff.

Most biases come from ppl that only play one of those jobs, or don't play the other enough and/or not in relevant content.

I still think healers have it alright - I've mained DRG since closed beta, a job that has been frowned upon by an entire community since day one. :P

I'll put it like this: I prefer playing SCH because I find it more fun due to more stuff to do. When I play DRG or WAR in single-healer situations, I will also always prefer having a SCH simply because I find them slightly more reliable. I'm probably biased by the numerous jaw-dropping stuff I've seen good scholars pull off though, but by no means do I hold that against WHMs. It is true that the healing jobs create a fantastic synergy when used together though and I can't understand bashing either one for being inferior.

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Originally Posted by Spoekes

I'd say the SCH has a edge in solo healing content that is no longer in progression, once you are at the point where you no longer need the higher healing output of the WHM.

Only fools would claim that the SCH is a better healer in general.

The thing is, once everyone gets everything right, the healing output of the SCH is just enough and it has virutally endless MP and a easier time to put some DPS while doing that stuff.

Most biases come from ppl that only play one of those jobs, or don't play the other enough and/or not in relevant content.

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This is the inherent flaw in the WHM design though, which is what many raid groups are seeing as the iLevel increase push the 2 farther and farther apart. The current WHM design has it as a one-trick pony. A healer, plain and simple. It doesn't offer much else. A SCH can support a party in many ways besides healing, and from the looks of it AST will be able to as well. This has many WHM players worried because, in order to stay competitive in the solo-healing arena, they need more party-synergy skills other than heals on top of heals on top of more heals. With the current iLevel increases, WHM healing is mostly wasteful.

I think the point is to redesign WHM so that it's equally as "desired" as SCH in solo-healing and on-farm content.

And this is not supposed to be a "omg whm noob, sch leet" post. I play both jobs in both 4-man and 8-man content, including progression raiding. Even I can see the glaring flaws in the WHM design. If 3.0 doesn't bring sweeping changes to WHM fundamental mechanics, the job WILL die out.

The "many raidgroups" and "many whm" you are talking about are in fact a 0.0000000001% fraction of the playerbase.

How many people/groups do you personally know which single heal T13?

The current meta seems to be: Take WHM for the raw healing, SCH does some shielding and mostly focusses on dmg support.


From a development standpoint this is a hard thing to balance.
When FCOB was new, would you have gone there without a WHM? probably not.
Gear will always lower the bar in terms of how much healing is required to beat an encounter, shifting the desired classes at the end of content-livetime, currently in favor to the dmg/heal hybrid called SCH.

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Originally Posted by Feylie

You're right. Lets all meld into vit. Totally the most efficient strat. #1. 7k HP BRD, highest deeps you'll ever see.

PS: They still had a SMN for Virus. Funny thing about that. No good groups run SMN's anymore. I'm just saiyan.

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I ran with a WHM in T9 about a month ago who was WELL over 8k HP. Had melded nothing but VIT. It was absurd.

Before Talking all shity, always think about that:

1# Do the Heal actualy know what he does?
2# WHM or SCH doesn't matter it's all about skill and then EQ.
3# Overthink it again maybe the Tank or a DPS just fucked the run up. :P
4# If you still think you could do it better then do it take the fucking book or staff and heal all badass!:cool:

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Originally Posted by Velox

Not necessarily. As long as everyone has >6.5k HP (thanks to Vit melded accessories and some respecs) and Virus + Dragon Kick is on Bahamut for each Gigaflare, you can survive with just a WHM.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAhdM3-k25g

That being said, SCH makes survival MUCH easier which is why many people argue it's the overall better job between the two.

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Virus from a SCH or SMN is need. All other viruses are counterfeit. Succor can mitigate anywhere from 600 to 900 damage and sacred soil. i have BAD math skills that can easily be 20-25% damage mitigated

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Originally Posted by Perzeval

Amusing to see how this turned into a WHM bashing thread.

Doing 180 DPS in T13 being SCH is a nice thing to have, but nothing one should use for bragging. People tend to forget that behind every awesome SCH in cleric stance, there is a amazing WHM who dedicates himself to solo healing certain phases, with SCH assisting during crucial impacts. Tunnel vision and self-glorification lead to a very selective point of view. There is a good reason why almost all statics bring both healers to the endgame.

Oh and... there is absolutely no content in this game that was not solo healed by either class. So your point about SCH being the master race for solo healing content is invalid. It all boils down to the skill of the said player and his group.

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Can we give this guy a medal?