Up Poetics Cap to 600.

450's still way too low so I approve. Especially now that there's another gear set out there to choose from.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

Why? You're still not actually gearing up significantly faster if they made the change.

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Well, if the weekly cap was 450 per job, you have 10 jobs. That's far too much, hence the roles choice would be a bit better, Tank, Melee DPS, Ranged DPS (Casters included) Healer. 1,800 tomes a week... If your secondary is still in the same job area, it would take the same amount of time to gear two, versus spreading the love as it were.

450 is ok, as a raider/casual (it's strange, I raid but play few hrs workdays) I manage to cap on saturday/sunday, so is ok. Other "extra" piece are coming from FCoB, i get lucky on first clear last week :D

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Originally Posted by Eardstapa

Well, if the weekly cap was 450 per job, you have 10 jobs. That's far too much, hence the roles choice would be a bit better, Tank, Melee DPS, Ranged DPS (Casters included) Healer. 1,800 tomes a week... If your secondary is still in the same job area, it would take the same amount of time to gear two, versus spreading the love as it were.

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I made a mistake when I was talking about "roles". I was assuming that DEX gear was shared between BRD and NIN, as well as STR gear for MNK and DRG. This is only the case for accessories, and not the "left side" gear.
In reality, the problem is a bit more complex...

There're actually 7 types of "left" gear for this tier:
- Fending (PLD, WAR)
- Healing (SCH, WHM)
- Maiming (DRG)
- Striking (MNK)
- Scouting (NIN)
- Aiming (BRD)
- Casting (BLM, SMN)

... But only 5 accessory types:
-Fending (VIT) (Used by PLD, WAR)
-Healing (MND) (Used by SCH, WHM)
-Slaying (STR) (Used by DRG, MNK)
-Aiming (DEX) (Used by NIN, BRD)
-Casting (INT) (Used by BLM, SCH)


... And even more weapons: there are 10 of them. One for each job (assuming Sword+Shield=1 for the PLD).

In the end, you can't have an equal progression between all jobs.
If you were to put the cap on "roles", you would end up with a disparity in the progression: Tank (2 jobs), Healer (2 jobs), Melee DPS (3 jobs), Ranged DPS (3 jobs). It would be longer to gear *all* DPS than *all* Tanks or Healers.
Since DPS have longuer queues that Tanks and Healers, gearing DPS jobs will take even longer, because the tomestone/hour would be lower.

There would be another problem with accessories: DEX accessories are shared by two jobs in different roles (NIN and BRD, respectively melee and ranged DPS). Also, Tanks tends to use STR accessories in place of VIT ones... so, if I want a STR accessory for my PLD, I would have to take some tomestomes from the melee DPS pool instead of the Tank one... and thus, my Tank role would have more tomestone to buy more stuff, yet again.


So, even if it sounded like a good idea at first, it might be a bit more complicated than it appeared at start.
I tried to think of a way to have a good compromise, but I believe there isn't one.

Use brain. get VERY good - BIS pieces. Then move on to next class. Chances are, CT3 or FCOB will have better gears to replace absolute crappy poetics pieces. ( looking at you bard pants/chest ) Penta melded gear is also a fantastic option at times, if you get the right piece and meld it correctly.

Theres also shiva bracelet and w/e else drops will drop from ultros/gilga/odin extreme, and also consider that 110 craftable/meldable accs are not a 100 years away. Gearing up a class fully in poetics is not a good idea.

I will get some bard pieces, and then some drg pieces. Not wasting poetics on trash pieces.....

Oh look it's this thread again. 450 is plenty. You can get an item per week for most slots. It's good enough.

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Originally Posted by Eardstapa

Consider that we do not get a new iLv for 6 months, rather, we'll be leveling to 60 in 6 months from the release of 2.4; 6 months is 24 weeks, 24 weeks multiplied by 450 is 10,800. It is enough for two jobs, but barely. If you did 24 multiplied by 600 it would be 14400, barely enough to even get started on a third job... Basically, find a main, find a secondary, and stick with them.

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this , u dont need 3+ jobs geared in 120ilvl gear ....1 main 1 alter at top gear is good enough.

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Originally Posted by Warlyx

this , u dont need 3+ jobs geared in 120ilvl gear ....1 main 1 alter at top gear is good enough.

@Sessurea Brd chest is on T13 ....if it drops because i still to see Brd chest from Scob...lol , Upgraded chest isnt that bad :)

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penta melded 110 chest is fantastic too. Or even just soldiery chest, but it lacks acc for ppl doing fcob. Soldiery chest has about.....18-20 dex worth of secondary stats? I'm not very informed on such things, but it has a TON of crit/det, which is in no way a fair trade off for a few dex and sksp/acc.

why up the poetics so much? You do realize a large portion of the community are not yet even doing coil and such and the gear uptained with poetics is really not at all needed, it is more for like final coil and such

^the point is so that you can more effectively main two Jobs instead of one for the purposes of end-game raiding or what have you.

People are acting like 150 more in a single week is overly dramatic.

It's one minor piece every 3 weeks guys, it's not earth-shattering.

If you're worried about capping to 600, they could up the Poetics rates slightly.

It's a good point that now we have Scouting gear too.