Why are 1.0 lvl 50 dungeons are harder than ARR's

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

Then again, only players doing animus had to deal with this, so this might not be huge problem for other players choosing another gameplay paths like primals or coils.

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This is the answer. Most people don't run any particular dungeon for the challenge or the fun, at least not after the first few times. Most players run dungeons for the rewards, and the rewards in the dungeons below level 50 aren't worth it for most players. The only people you'll see queuing for any specific dungeon (barring the current speedrun flavor of the month dungeon) are people who need it for some reason (GC hunt log, quest, animus book, glamour), or people tagging along with those people. Or, very, very rarely, the special snowflake who honestly just feels like running that particular dungeon for one reason or another. Anybody else is there because it's either their roulette or their highest available dungeon while leveling.

And for people leveling, it's always bottom-heavy. There are far more people with Sastasha unlocked than with AV unlocked, and so on. For every one person with only Sastasha unlocked, there are a few more people pulled into Sastasha by roulette, so they're not available for CC or DD or AV or whatever. The bottom half of the scale can drag the top half into the bottom half, but the other way around doesn't work, so it ends up even more bottom heavy than the natural distribution.

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

and you can get full ilvl 90 in a day from hitting 50.

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I understand your intent and all, but this is going WAY past hyperbole. Unless you can tell me someone new to lvl 50 can farms coils 1-5, get all the drops they want, not wipe, or farm up 5010 mythology in one day, not going to happen anytime soon.

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

I understand your intent and all, but this is going WAY past hyperbole. Unless you can tell me someone new to lvl 50 can farms coils 1-5, get all the drops they want, not wipe, or farm up 5010 mythology in one day, not going to happen anytime soon.

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Hunts. 20 Allied seals for i90 belt and accessories, 30 seals for i90 head/gloves/boots, and 40 seals for i90 body/pants. Add that to the myth that you get from hunting, and it's actually quite possible, and far from hyperbole. You'd only need 290 Allied Seals for an entire i90 set, and if it's your first week on soldiery, chances are by the time you get that many seals you'd have the soldiery for the i100 ring.

On topic: Try speed running those pre-50 dungeons. Unless you sac pull, it's not going to happen because of level sync, and through that, item level sync. Time to reward, it's simply not worth it to run those dungeons unless you're leveling an alt class or doing a book - and even then people often stay away from AV simply because it stinks in there.

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Originally Posted by gamesmart

Hunts. 20 Allied seals for i90 belt and accessories, 30 seals for i90 head/gloves/boots, and 40 seals for i90 body/pants. Add that to the myth that you get from hunting, and it's actually quite possible, and far from hyperbole. You'd only need 290 Allied Seals for an entire i90 set, and if it's your first week on soldiery, chances are by the time you get that many seals you'd have the soldiery for the i100 ring.

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I thought allied seals only gave i70 gear. In that case, my bad. Did not know they could be exchanged for the mythology gear.

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Originally Posted by whoopeeragon

I thought allied seals only gave i70 gear. In that case, my bad. Did not know they could be exchanged for the mythology gear.

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The i70 gear is totally overpriced and basically intended only for glamour. If you check in the DoW and DoM categories of the Billmasters they sell all the myth gear you will ever want or need.

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Originally Posted by BobbinT

This is understandable because frankly, these 1.0 provides very unique mechanics that makes other dungeons looked kinda weaker, even Qarn & Stone Vigil (these also considered hard dungeons by some ppl) are easier.

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Me and a FC mate were talking about this. Quarn has so many unique dungeon mechanics that make the whole instance so interesting. Yet it's a mid-tier dungeon that wasn't even part of the main story until it was shoehorned in for the extreme primals. Yet you look at the last dungeons and it's the same boring thing of "open this gate so you can't speed run it like back in 2.0.

Killing the heads on the pads or else they keep rezing.
The optional rooms you can open up that contain traps.
The final puzzle room to get extra loot.

Made the dungeon really interesting.

So you're saying that nobody "is eager" to do older dungeons that have nothing to offer players who are level 50 and geared?

I think i can speak for why the medium dungeons are underused:
1) The "pool" of players is much smaller. There are a lot of 50s, there are a lot of lowbies. there aren't that many midleveled and it's a very transient time of the game. There's also another aspect i'll get into later.
2) Some of those dungeons are just flat out annoying. Dzemael Darkhold is probably the most run (in part because it has that skimpy colosseum gear. IN PART. Also in part for...I'll get to that.) and even it has some mechanics that just don't show up in other dungeons: The first boss is set up to take a lot longer to kill than the two bosses that follow, the second is a healer's nightmare, and the third...well, he's fine except the whole one-shot mechanic that's easily avoidable.
And then there's Aurum Vale. Environmental hazards, one of the hardest first rooms in any dungeon, and status ailments out the wazoo. Because of this, people just run Dzemael instead, since it's faster and (mostly) safer.

I think why a lot of people are missing "Your Point" because you did not explain it very clearly. But overall of course 1.0 dungeons are harder because that was ALL of the dungeons available at that time. Yoshi-P has said countless amount of times that this MMO is catered to casuals and first time MMOers. So of course the dungeons are gonna be easier. 1.0 was trying to make a MMO for the "hardcores"

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Originally Posted by Magis

Quarn has so many unique dungeon mechanics that make the whole instance so interesting. Yet it's a mid-tier dungeon that wasn't even part of the main story until it was shoehorned in for the extreme primals.

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Sure, it is not part of the mainstory around midlevel, but at level 50
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