Sightseeing Log - Its just not happening.

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Originally Posted by Kalandros

Weather changes at midnight and 8am (and later on I forget when, 4pm?)

The two last log entries I need for 1-20 NEVER EVER occur. I've tried multiple hours in a row, no luck whatsoever. Every day I try whenever its near time.

5am-8am. Thats the window. Awful awful window.

3 Middle La Noscea Seasong Grotto (Rain)
7 Lower La Noscea Red Rooster Stead (Fog)

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I hate this thing.

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If you have Patience problems because of Weather, please look forward to the places you need to visit in the 2nd log (21-80). There you have condition problems AND crazy jumps to perform.

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Originally Posted by Nukocafe

if you think that's bad, try doing entry number 48. that made me quit sightseeing forever.

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I have completed 58/80 and this nr. 48 is also still open for me and I truly hate it lol. Been trying it for (Eorzea times) hours and still did not manage to make that jump a single time. I am also deep in Love with nr. 67 where you have to perform a crazy jump in Northern Thanalan when it is foggy and all that while you almost ALWAYS have 1-2 enemies with random aggro on your back.

Time against you, weather unlikely to happen and constantly aggroed and never left alone so you can concentrate on the Jump. I don't know, when I started with Sightseeing I thought it was something casual, for fun and to relax. But the amount of Patience you need both for the Weather and Gamepad skills to make a perfect jump is beyond everything I find entertaining or relaxing. We talk about millimeters that decide about Success or Fail. At places where it is beyond me how people even found out about them. I am doing it with a Guide and use Videos and still have problems performing the jumps lol.

I don't know, failing in Coil is one thing, doing a jump for a Log a hundred times and failing a hundred times just makes my blood boil lol. I wish I would have never started it, now the Nerd in me wants it completed. But I lost the Fun in doing them already because I know the rest I miss are partially really tricky as far as the jumps are concerned. So bottom line, another Game element that relies heavily on RNG and player annoyance and resistance to fails. Too much of those elements lately.

My biggest beef with Sightseeing isn't how obtuse some of the spots are to get to, or even getting time/weather to line up (I'm a Fisher, I'm used to this)

My irritation is with the number of things you often can't figure out based on the text. Take #15 - "Even the strings of the tightest purse loosen upon seeing my famed balancing act. From vaulted gardens I leap onto the eastmost streetlamp, then bask as dour, cloudy expressions break into smiles and a shower of gil."

If you really stretch it you can figure out what the weather is (even though the adjectives of importance aren't specified as the weather). You'd never figure out that it's also a five hour window, nevermind when that is.

It's a nifty system, but it's ruined somewhat by the necessity to look some of these things up. That the only real reward comes at the very end also dissuades people, I think. It's an all-or-nothing if you want something to show for it, instead of incremental rewards.

I loved the idea of this, but I am a crappy jumper (I'm the person who plays AC and runs in the streets). I already had problems with gridania in carpenters thing and the one in apalaku falls. My friend tried to coach me to it, but I just am unable to jump (yes I'm ridiculous because of that I know, I'm a joke among my gamer friends because of that) - so I just renounced at it, even if I really like the idea ._.

I did my sightseeing log and even though it was hard to catch the weather or jump on specific things I feel my Fledgling Apkallu was worth it. Dont get disheartened. Keep trying! I parade this lil guy around all the time. Its my favorite minion in the game so far :3

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Originally Posted by Garlyle

It's a nifty system, but it's ruined somewhat by the necessity to look some of these things up. That the only real reward comes at the very end also dissuades people, I think. It's an all-or-nothing if you want something to show for it, instead of incremental rewards.

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The incremental rewards are the snippets of lore you get for each location, it's just a shame I cannot learn about the dead goobbue in Eastern Thanalan until I meet the requirement of a specific type of rain in a 1 hour (in game time) window...

Really do wish they'd do something to make finding the locations easier as well. For the most part, I can figure out the general location for them, but then you're stuck trying to find the pin-point position for it; something only a fairly large community effort discovered in order to make a guide.

Doing /lookout should cause the Vista location to flash for a brief second. At least that way you can actually look for the Vistas, instead of standing in the general location going "Where am I meant to look at this from?!", something else which is utterly ridiculous if you put it into real life terms.

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Originally Posted by Vespar

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Well, that's great. You trudged through the sightseeing log, or got lucky enough that things were just right during the times you went to go for them. (likely not the case)

The problem with this whole system is that it isn't fun, and it should be.

Now, don't get me wrong, I like jumping puzzles or figuring out how to get to new places. Heck I've spent a few hours climbing the walls and gates of Rev. Toll once I figured out how to do it, and I still can't always get that right, but it's fun just trying.

The problem with the sight seeing log isn't jump puzzles, it's whole requirement that once you reach the location needed to be at, you can't just do the emote and get the completion credit. No, you have to wait (hours most of the time) for the right kind of weather before you can get credit.

That means you cannot enjoy this on your own time, and that right there is a terrible decision. Thing's like a sight seeing log should be fun, but not a pain in the ass. This isn't some kind of super important content, so why is it blocked and limited by retarded conditional requirements? There is no fun in that. None.

The only frustration should be in the jumping puzzle bits, figuring out how to get there and trial and error in your jump attempts. Once you reach the location needed you should be able to get credit no matter what time of day it is.

They seriously need to remove weather conditions as a factor for Sight Seeing Log completion.

Even simple locations that don't require jumping to reach become a hassle because you have to wait for the right kind of weather. This is just a horrible design. How the hell was this even approved is what I want to know. Who gave the final version of this the OK? It's terrible.

There are a few things that need improvement in this game, but this idea has to be one of the worst implemented ideas in the game; Right next to how they decided to let us be able to dye our AF. (dying the AF itself is not the problem, it's the ridiculous crafting requirements)

//Seperate tangent: Seriously, you let us be able to dye Darklight Armor with a simple update and poof "Hey that DL gear I had can be dyed now, sweet!", but AF "Oh.. no, that AF you can't dye. You turn it in with an Augment item that has to be crafted from materials that won't be cheap or easy to obtain for a long while after this is implemented, and it requires a really high geared Alchemist to craft them."//

Man, I enjoy a lot about this game but some decisions that have been made really get me fired up and ultimately leave me shaking my head.

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Originally Posted by Ecks007

The problem with this whole system is that it isn't fun, and it should be.

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I disagree. The problem is not the system at all. The system was designed to take time to complete. The problem is that people (like those in this thread) want to get the completion done within a few days.

Now, don't get me wrong. I'm not trying to intrude on your own personal opinion. You can definitely say you did not have fun and I can't say you are wrong for having an opinion. However, that's is your own personal opinion and doesn't mean that the entire process is incorrect.

The sight-seeing log is fun, I had a blast completing it and it took me a month to finish it. Do it in stride. I really hope that SE includes more content exactly like this in the future.

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Originally Posted by Coatl

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Finding all the vistas was hard enough (like on in middle la noscea that took me three hours to figure out)
And when I finally found it I wouldve been totally satisfied just getting it ticked of the list. But noo instead I had to revisit that point at specific in game times to get it. (Which actually took me 2 days to complete and I decided thay sightseeing wasnt fun anymore if every vista was supposed to be like that.)

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Originally Posted by Fervid

I disagree. The problem is not the system at all. The system was designed to take time to complete. The problem is that people (like those in this thread) want to get the completion done within a few days.

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Being able to speed through it really isn't an issue. Thing's can be designed to take up time and still be fun. What part of waiting around for the game's optimal weather in order to complete side content is fun? You just sit and waste time, doing nothing, after you've already spent the effort to track down and reach the correct location. How is that fun?

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The sight-seeing log is fun, I had a blast completing it and it took me a month to finish it. Do it in stride. I really hope that SE includes more content exactly like this in the future.

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I am curious as to know what you considered fun about this? How was it fun for you? You enjoyed having to rely on weather conditions? Having to wait for the right weather to go out and then complete these things was fun?

I'm sorry, I just don't see it. I mean, I can take a knife and slice bits of my flesh and say I had fun doing it and maybe I did *shrug* but to the majority of people, is that considered fun? No.

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Originally Posted by Kiara1

Finding all the vistas was hard enough (like on in middle la noscea that took me three hours to figure out)
And when I finally found it I wouldve been totally satisfied just getting it ticked of the list. But noo instead I had to revisit that point at specific in game times to get it. (Which actually took me 2 days to complete and I decided thay sightseeing wasnt fun anymore if every vista was supposed to be like that.)

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Thats the exact reason why most players i have talked are skipping that content...
Trying, even completing some but then runing out of breath and cant seeing that any more...
I skipped when it was the right time and the right weather, but somehow it did not work, maybe i was some secunds too late, dont remember... you know, not only jumping and weather, also emote is important :)