Is anyone else hoping that Ninja is a tank?

I still don't quite understand the overblown hate towards NIN in FFXI. At the very least, it's one of the extremely rare cases of player creativity in MMORPG history. Mobs in FFXI always hit hard (as you did often group up to fight mobs 6-10 levels higher... so duh?), enough so to 1-2 shot non tanks, which essentially makes that argument flatline. The actual playstyle of the job (blink tanking) certainly wasn't for everyone, and will obviously create some bad memories for some people because of the delicacy, but it's not exactly the equivalent of the black plague to the game. Heck, you could still DD as NIN in XI, it just wasn't exactly the most cost efficient method. NIN/BLM damage was extremely good during certain parts of the game, high enough that you could potentially tank simply spamming spells based on the elemental wheel. Mind you, this was during the first several years of FFXI. Was it the best? Nope, but it was pretty funny to do something different.

Having said that though, I don't really care if it's only a DPS role here. That's perfectly fine. FFXIV is not FFXI, afterall. A SAM tank would be interesting, but oh gaud... it'll be FFXIV's equivalent of the Death Knight in WoW for a while.

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Originally Posted by reality_check

Anyone? Anyone at all?

Some of my most intense and memorable moments playing FFXI were tanking as a ninja. Not to mention this game desperately needs more tanks.

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No. Stop living in the past. This not Final Fantasy XI.

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Originally Posted by Welsper59

I still don't quite understand the overblown hate towards NIN in FFXI. At the very least, it's one of the extremely rare cases of player creativity in MMORPG history. Mobs in FFXI always hit hard (as you did often group up to fight mobs 6-10 levels higher... so duh?), enough so to 1-2 shot non tanks, which essentially makes that argument flatline. The actual playstyle of the job (blink tanking) certainly wasn't for everyone, and will obviously create some bad memories for some people because of the delicacy, but it's not exactly the equivalent of the black plague to the game.

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As someone who was a diehard NIN in FFXI with gear sets for every situation, I still am so glad it's not a tank job I cannot express it in words. Praise be to Yoshida for not allowing this to happen again.

Ninja in FFXI was supposed to be a dps, people just used it as a tank, I am pretty sure Ninja here will be dps.

Why make more DPS when tank is lacking.

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Originally Posted by shanvhere

Why make more DPS when tank is lacking.

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People aren't lacking tanks, its that people don't wanna tank because Elites start talking crap about how well they do, nobody wants to have that weight on their shoulders and that's why we see Less tanks and Less healers cause nobody learns how to keep their mouth closed and play the damn game instead of putting someone down to is learning their job.


Plus they said more jobs are being made for expansion.

Yoshi P had said before that if they were ever to release something similar to a ninja class, that it would not be a tank role. As much as I'd love a sudden wave of players playing a new tank and making my queues faster, I however wouldn't want that new tank class to be ninja anyway. Even the FFXI Ninja was made a tank by the playerbase, against SE's plans.

XIV is much stricter in terms of what we can equip as "subjob" abilities, so I think that hopefully this kind of community-induced derailing will be prevented this time.

To be honest, I was sorta hoping Ninja would be some cool Parry Tank. But, I'm just happy the class I've wanted to play all along is finally coming. So its neither here nor there. It's gonna suck for DF ques though. I've been spoiled by WAR ques :(

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Originally Posted by Enkidoh

No.

To the seventh circle of hell with blink tanking. My most hated memories of FFXI involved stupid players who were either maining NIN, or (more often than not), subbing it with another job, in parties over-relying on Utsusemi thinking that it made themselves invincible to anything in the game (which it didn't - there were plenty of enemies in the game who used attacks that ate through shadows wholesale), getting themselves killed as a result, and then blaming the healer, ala myself (I was WHM), for it.

Hence, it's forever poisoned my attitude towards the Job (like stupid Edward in FFIV did towards BRD). Blink tanking has no place here.

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It's a poor assumption to assume that if NIN was going to be a tank they would do "blink tanking" and just unecessary to always bring this up as the reason why Ninja tanking won't work. While they have alrdy said that NIN is going to be a DD, it could of worked as a tank had they thought more into the concept of it. An evasive tank, building up it's ability to mitigate damage through evasion and parrying, and using those charges gained up to use other abilities. Honestly it is a bit tiresome how whenever the concept of NIN tank is mentioned people just focus on the XI version and assume that XIV would draw everything from XI, because if that was the case, then the class/jobs we have now would play like their XI counterparts but do they don't. Does Monk play as a combo master like in XIV it doesn't.