Summoner - Acc vs Det/Crit

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Originally Posted by Infina

What spell speed bug? I haven't really been following discussions about it since T0rin disappeared.

Also, this sim isn't keeping GCD rolling, which makes skill speed rather useless.

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http://logicfix.net/sim/?wd=77&int=5...0&food=buttons = 123806 damage
http://logicfix.net/sim/?wd=77&int=5...0&food=buttons = 124164 damage

Not sure I follow you though about the GCD not rolling.

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Originally Posted by Dwill

You can't divide the -0.255 by 4 because that value is specific to Garuda missing since she is the one needing to be at 491, not the summoner himself. I'd warrant that the acc weight for being under cap would be much higher if it was being calculated at going under 471.

So to break even at 471, if the value of -0,255 is good, you'd need 5.1 worth of value from stats weight with CRT being 0,2 and Det being 0,163 and S.Speed being a whooping 0.022 to 0.081 depending on the encounter's time (all of the value being calculated at the summoner being accuracy capped).

continuing in the next post...

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Oh I see. I wasn't sure if that was the stat weight of Acc, for just Garuda, or in general. It does make sense, since it looks like Acc is weighted higher than the Primary stats.
-5 Acc below cap = 1%
6.5 Main stat = 1% extra damage

Thanks for catching about dividing Garuda's stat weight by 4. Even though she may do a 1/4 of overall SMN damage, it's 1/3 of SMN's actual damage.

I didn't include food with the gear set I posted.

BiS - 502 Acc - 523 Crit - 294 Det - 405 S.Speed
Me - 471 Acc - 542 Crit - 282 Det - 435 S.Speed

So for Garuda -4% Accuracy (96% DPS) + 1.2% for S.Speed + 0.6% from Crit (- 0.3% from DET) - so a 2.2% Loss for Garuda (97.8 DPS)

Summoner +4.1 weight - 0.6% Increase (relative to Garuda 1.8% - so overall it's a 0.4% loss)

Still pretty interesting

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

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Pets are not affected by food buff so it didn't matter that you forgot it. And with all the information we gathered thus far, she's more 1/4 than 1/3 of our damage.

Their also is a bug where Garuda (or any pet for that matter) is unaffected by S.Speed so we can't apply this to her (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ed-Pet-Actions).

So acc caped still is the most important then CRT > DET > S.SPEED.

As far as I'm aware, one of the upcoming patches will make pet account caps the same as the smn. I think it may be 2.3, but I'm not 100% on that info.

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Originally Posted by Dwill

http://logicfix.net/sim/?wd=77&int=5...0&food=buttons = 123806 damage
http://logicfix.net/sim/?wd=77&int=5...0&food=buttons = 124164 damage

Not sure I follow you though about the GCD not rolling.

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The sim currently use all off-GCDs when GCD is not on cd, like fester after bio2.

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Originally Posted by Infina

The sim currently use all off-GCDs when GCD is not on cd, like fester after bio2.

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Weaving off-gcd abilities is on the issues list that are to solve for the sim. I don't think though that it will be a significant enough of a change though to warrant more S.Speed, even after they fix the pet's issue with S.Speed.

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Originally Posted by RowanLauron

As far as I'm aware, one of the upcoming patches will make pet account caps the same as the smn. I think it may be 2.3, but I'm not 100% on that info.

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I sure hope so.

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Originally Posted by Dwill

Pets are not affected by food buff so it didn't matter that you forgot it. And with all the information we gathered thus far, she's more 1/4 than 1/3 of our damage.

Their also is a bug where Garuda (or any pet for that matter) is unaffected by S.Speed so we can't apply this to her (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ed-Pet-Actions).

So acc caped still is the most important then CRT > DET > S.SPEED.

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He he. Yeah I know food doesn't effect pets. You were just comparing the BiS build (with food) to the one I posted without food that's all.

I saw testing that showed the speed buff is still active for pets, it just doesn't show in the tool tips like it used to. I really hope that gets fixed.

I agree acc is key after discussing it.

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

He he. Yeah I know food doesn't effect pets. You were just comparing the BiS build (with food) to the one I posted without food that's all.

I saw testing that showed the speed buff is still active for pets, it just doesn't show in the tool tips like it used to. I really hope that gets fixed.

I agree acc is key after discussing it.

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Oh my apologies on the food stuff.

Do you have a source for that testing on S.Speed ? I really want to believe it does.

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Originally Posted by Dwill

Pets are not affected by food buff so it didn't matter that you forgot it. And with all the information we gathered thus far, she's more 1/4 than 1/3 of our damage.

Their also is a bug where Garuda (or any pet for that matter) is unaffected by S.Speed so we can't apply this to her (http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...ed-Pet-Actions).

So acc caped still is the most important then CRT > DET > S.SPEED.

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i remember seeing somewhere that SS did affect pets, but just the tooltip didnt update. havent tested myself to see if its true though.

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Originally Posted by RowanLauron

As far as I'm aware, one of the upcoming patches will make pet account caps the same as the smn. I think it may be 2.3, but I'm not 100% on that info.

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i'll sure be happy if they do, but at the same time this thread will become a giant slap in the face for all the theory crafting lol

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Originally Posted by Zamii

i remember seeing somewhere that SS did affect pets, but just the tooltip didnt update. havent tested myself to see if its true though.



i'll sure be happy if they do, but at the same time this thread will become a giant slap in the face for all the theory crafting lol

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I believe Spellspeed affects Garuda, where skillspeed affects ifrit.

Not positive on that