Adding a political system

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Originally Posted by Dyne

People loved to decorate their moghouse in ffxiv with furniture, artwork, silly trinkets. The ability to build things in the city is just like that, except in a much grander scale.

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Except everyone who goes to that city has to then deal with another player's shitty design taste instead of having it in a privately instanced abode.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

You miss the point of what checks and balances are supposed to do, which are to limit an individual's power, which means the individual is going to get bored.

It would be difficult to work into the lore. We already have 3 grand company leaders representing each of the 3 available city states. We are grouped up to fight against the Garlean Empire. Why would we split up by dethroning the Grand Company leaders we just got or start new political empires when we're about to get crushed by an outside power + a mysterious other power?

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Those grand company leaders are not really the king of their respected nations. They are just generals.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

Except everyone who goes to that city has to then deal with another player's shitty design taste instead of having it in a privately instanced abode.

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Yes, exactly that is why you vote for the person you like and there are term limits, so you can undo all those things and do your thing when you are president.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

You miss the point of what checks and balances are supposed to do, which are to limit an individual's power, which means the individual is going to get bored.

It would be difficult to work into the lore. We already have 3 grand company leaders representing each of the 3 available city states. We are grouped up to fight against the Garlean Empire. Why would we split up by dethroning the Grand Company leaders we just got or start new political empires when we're about to get crushed by an outside power + a mysterious other power?

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Checks and Balances limits the powers of three governing bodies not just one individual. The whole point of checks and balances was to separate power into three distinct branches that would fight over power them selves in turn checking each other regularly (much like how nuclear proliferation, same theoretical approach). The founding fathers emphasized separation of power so much to limit the probability and longevity of a dictator.

And lore wise the grand companies are nothing more then militias set up to defend the greater good in times of strife, i don't see what they have to do with the governance of each city state. the "political system" would not change grand companies, and grand companies would not change the politics.

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Originally Posted by Dyne

Yes, exactly that is why you vote for the person you like and there are term limits, so you can undo all those things and do your thing when you are president.

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Or just not put yourself in that position in the first place by not allowing people to do that.

Seems easier to me.

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Those grand company leaders are not really the king of their respected nations. They are just generals.

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Nope, but they're the closest thing to it. The only leader we saw was in Ul'dah, everyone else's leader is mysterious.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

Or just not put yourself in that position in the first place by not allowing people to do that.

Seems easier to me.


Nope, but they're the closest thing to it. The only leader we saw was in Ul'dah, everyone else's leader is mysterious.

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And that is why setting up player run political systems would be pretty easy lore wise... SE left a number of big gaps in their lore.

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Originally Posted by Bled

Checks and Balances limits the powers of three governing bodies not just one individual. The whole point of checks and balances was to separate power into three distinct branches that would fight over power them selves in turn checking each other regularly (much like how nuclear proliferation, same theoretical approach). The founding fathers emphasized separation of power so much to limit the probability and longevity of a dictator.

And lore wise the grand companies are nothing more then militias set up to defend the greater good in times of strife, i don't see what they have to do with the governance of each city state. the "political system" would not change grand companies, and grand companies would not change the politics.

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So we're thinking more than one person per branch now? Then it's too complicated, too many people, power spread way too thin for a video game.

Also, Grand Companies very much so affect politics. They use the city's resources and are used to unite the city-states to fight against an enemy, not just to protect each separate city-state.

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

Or just not put yourself in that position in the first place by not allowing people to do that.

Seems easier to me.

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By limiting what people can and can't do in the game takes away a lot of fun you could have. No, we won't let you do that just do your monotonous leves. No, you can't do that just do monotonous dungeons. Hey, guys what do you want to do leves, dungeons, NMs again? Bottom line, it is something different to do, sort of like a minigame, but much much much more ambitious than the super fun mini game of parley.

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Originally Posted by Dyne

By limiting what people can and can't do in the game takes away a lot of fun you could have.

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So no checks and balances then?

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Originally Posted by SuzakuCMX

So we're thinking more than one person per branch now? Then it's too complicated, too many people, power spread way too thin for a video game.

Also, Grand Companies very much so affect politics. They use the city's resources and are used to unite the city-states to fight against an enemy, not just to protect each separate city-state.

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I agree the system that would need to go into place in order for something like this to work is retarded and should not be done.

My only argument is that it could be done whether its a good idea or not.

Like you said above, introducing factors like grand companies into the player run political systems would be much to complicated for a Video game; especially when they could just leave that mechanic out and still have a functioning system.

Edit: I forgot to answer the first sentence in your post >< yes i think there would have to be a branch of some sort involving a high number of people involved.