sch has low heals? we mitigate damage

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Originally Posted by DosonTheGreat

Only time you should you adloquium is if you know someone else is going to be taking damage so you can heal someone else for a second or before a big hit. If anyone takes unexpected damage you can just lustrate or embrace them. Few encounters in this game really require anything other than physick/embrace spam.

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But that's it though, more often than not it's the unexpected damage that throws you a curveball and wipes the party simply because the SCH's kit doesn't provide a consistent means to deal with it outside of mitigation. Lustrate is a life saver but it's single-target and you only get three a minute, an empowered WD is strong but it has a 66% downtime and while Embrace is great with its own GCD it is too slow and weak to reliably save someone in a dire situation. Yeah most content you can get away with just physick/embrace spam but that implies you're either having a great run where people don't get hit by what they shouldn't or you're in a decent static where you are in-tune with the groups' dynamic. Consistently using adlo and succor provides better insurance for future f**k-ups and increases the odds of a successful run and conversely helps the WHM out as damage mitigated is damage they don't need to heal, which in turn keeps their MP healthy for when they really need it. Plus it isn't like it is costing us much to do so with our near-infinite MP reserves so we can afford to be inefficient with our casts to a degree.

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Originally Posted by AldoVonAlexandros

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Yeah that's the thing with mmo's a lotta opinions about how someone should or shouldn't play their role, just ask whether a healer should dps or not on these forums. lol
Honestly tho, don't feel that you have to take anything I or anybody else says to heart. If you're clearing content and having fun doing so with your current play-style then that's all that matters. It is just a game after all.

1. Are you keeping your party alive?

2. Are you having fun?

If yes to both then tell them next time we group and you don't want me as a healer then please say so. I am certain I can find another group that wants me before you will find another healer.

I am certain it's the DPS's that are telling you how to do Tank/Healer job. If they know it so well I suggest they get to work and make one of their own so they can show us how it's done.

Same as we should DPS. I do so at times when things are slow. But when that O'crap moment comes they sure are happy to see my mana bar full so I can burn it to keep them alive.

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Originally Posted by Manuka

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You don't need to prepare for unexpected damage. If someone gets hit by something they shouldn't you can just take your time healing with embrace/physick or whatever. If they will be taking unavoidable damage right after you can lustrate them. Otherwise you just adlo the tank and physick/embrace them then switch back to the tank. Or maybe just embrace them if you need to stay on the tank. Actually it would probably be better if you just switch off the tank completely to heal them then lustrate the tank cuz lustrate would do more on the tank. That's if you need to get them up quick

I love this thread. Since reading it I learned to not be so afraid of using my aetherflow stacks to mitigate even more (yes; I sat on stacks before saving them for rough spots). I can honestly say that it is more efficient to use them while you have them and then follow up with physicks/adlos (clean up heals just to top the group off better). I still find myself using one flow then waiting until the Aetherflow CD is at roughly 50%-60% to use up the rest. That way it ensures I can just activate it again after I blow through the whole stack. My static group's tank is a beast and healing him is easy mode compared to non-static people so he enjoys pulling crowds of mobs in Bray HM, Hala HM and City (he's a pally). I worked out how to keep him 50%-90% HP throughout these mass pulls that he likes to do (I tell him he's slacking if he only pulls 2-3 mobs so then he just pulls the whole room to be funny). In my static coil group I enjoy throwing adlos on the tank that my WHM friend is assigned to just to buy him a little more time to follow up heal. This actually opens him up for more healing to the rest of our raid. We assign ourselves to specific tanks to focus on so we don't overwhelm ourselves and waste MP trying to jump between both (the only time this rule is broken is if we notice that one of us is having problems keeping one of the tanks up). I just wanted to post and say thank you for the good sound healing advice in this thread. It's proven most helpful in making me into a more outgoing SCH.

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Originally Posted by Tranquil

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If you think I'm not working this into a sig, you're crazy.

SCH healing to me feels way more powerful then WHM. Once you macro embrace to adlo and physick it's just like constant cure 2s, plus the mobility of having pet cast while dodging mechanics if needed. Or having pet patch up a melee or whoever while still healing tank.

I don't recall you having any healing problems in your brief stint as a fellow FC mate :)

Nice thread. Most parsers include shields in healing calculation but as many said that's not really a good show of healing performance. It's easy to inflate that number if so desired... But it'd lead to a lot of ineffective healing. Healing is more about timing of healing rather than average throughput over the course of a fight.

The SCH toolbox is quite diverse and I'm still learning to maximize it. Holding on to short cool downs is a bad thing. A roused whispering dawn is still a powerful single target Regen effect to use on a tank if you know you don't need the AOE healing in the next 60 seconds. Many SCH save this one waaay too long.

I feel the more I learn of this Job the more powerful it seems.

SCHs do not give out low heals at all.
AOE raw numbers, a WHM will destroy you at, but SCH AOE healing for ongoing medium damage e.g stomps is better.
I have a SCH and WHM with roughly the same healing potency, funny enough my SCH absolutely out does my WHM in single target healing, that is without throwing lustrate into the mix, also as a sch you will be sending heals out on a more regular basis which is way better than big numbers spaced out.
Yes WHM has regen, but honestly embrace is more useful. The potency between you and fey, you can direct half decent heals out to ever without affecting using your own GCD.

If you are struggling to keep a tank alive make sure you take advantage of lustrates, aldo shields, make sure if the damage incoming is high use rouse and micro manage your fey, WD is just as good regen for topping up your healing.
WHM will parse more because half of the time they are over healing, parsers do not take adlo shield pot into account (if you only use adlo your parse result needs to be doubled to truly reflect) plus it doesn't take fey healing nor the damage you mitigate into account. Parses do not work well for SMNs or SCH and they should really be avoided in general anyway.

Apologies for dodgy grammar typing this in a rush.

here's the guideline on parses

Using third party programs or tools in FINAL FANTASY XIV is strictly prohibited since they allow users to gain an unfair advantage over other players. The use of programs or tools within FINAL FANTASY XIV that allow certain continuous actions to be performed automatically are often referred to as absentee play, which is also prohibited in FINAL FANTASY XIV. Additionally, during the course of an absentee play investigation, players may be requested to respond to or comply with a GMs instruction. Failure to do so is consider a violation and may result in disciplinary action being taken against the account.

The following activities are also prohibited in FINAL FANTASY XIV.
•Modifying, analyzing, integrating and reverse engineering game data
•Utility creation and distribution
•Exploiting SQUARE ENIX programming that does not run as intended to gain profit or damage other playersUsing third party programs or tools in FINAL FANTASY XIV is strictly prohibited since they allow users to gain an unfair advantage over other players. The use of programs or tools within FINAL FANTASY XIV that allow certain continuous actions to be performed automatically are often referred to as absentee play, which is also prohibited in FINAL FANTASY XIV. Additionally, during the course of an absentee play investigation, players may be requested to respond to or comply with a GMs instruction. Failure to do so is consider a violation and may result in disciplinary action being taken against the account.



Parses are considered a violation, no one should be using them. If players are harassing based on parse information report them and leave the group, don't participate in a group using a parse. Ps3 and PS4 users cannot use a parse, it puts PC users at an unfair advantage, this is why it's a violation. It's not worth the risk of not only getting your account suspended, but potentially loosing your gear, because some moron decided to break the rules of ToS.

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Originally Posted by Sanguisio

I have a SCH and WHM with roughly the same healing potency, funny enough my SCH absolutely out does my WHM in single target healing

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As long as you use regular base heal, you're right. But when the whitemage starts to use the other skills, his burst blows you away till he runs out of mana. Healing speedruns is way more easy with a whitemage than with scholar. In cases when dmg is low and the tank runs out of def cds, its heavy to impossible to keep him up with a scholar. Healing boss in T1 with 8 stacks before echo I also got managed with a whitemage only (and a bard next to me). Solo healing primaes. Much more easy with a whitemage.

The thing is: scholars damage mitigating is lower than the burst a whitemage can trow out. Fairy is also a big issue for me, as she do support only with heal. She's not mitigating (except one buff, but that do only reduce magical damage), what burn down scholars mana very fast, as he is doing mitigating alone.

I'm playing both healers in all content and my experience is: Scholar is not able to handle the same amount of big damage as a whitemage can. Not in partydamage and also not on single target. When there would be no healdebuff coming with deathsentence, Twintania would be also much easier with 2 whitemages.