[dev1020] Party system changes. The maximum party size.

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Originally Posted by God

Stop with the retarded comments nothing ever stopped you from partying with under 15 people. 15 is/was the max NOT the required. Want a 3-4-8 man group THEN WHY NOT JUST MAKE ONE.

8 people means more crap leves that dont have enough links to make them worth while. Simple fact is More people ment FASTER SP.

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no shit you can make whatever party size you want, thing is right now there is no middle ground for the leve difficulties, its either stupid easy or stupid hard.

As for the OMG moar people = moar SP! you realize that there is a max link you can do right? you and 10 people linking the same leve is not gonna net you more sp than say a 5 link. more people doesn;t = more sp. you just gotta play smart, meaning pick the right leves to link and GA buff

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Originally Posted by Frebaut

The problem with going to 6 people and doing a 5 star run is you can't pass it. The mobs defense is so high and they hit so hard theirs no challenge because you will die. As of now either the mobs are to easy or they wipe you with one AoE. Theirs no in between.

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yeah i agree their needs to be some sort of median for the reg groups. right now the stars for adjusting difficulty in leves is bullshit, there is no middelground. 1 star is too easy and 5 star is too dam hard. 3-4 stars is pretty much just like 1 star. The difficulty goes from easy to super hard, what happened to the middle ground?

Um to the person that said that they would be limited to how many leve-links you could have and essentially reduce you SP gains...

You are CLEARLY not aware that the cap on level links is three. 1 person starts the leve and 3 others link. That is the cap, there are NO further bonus to SP that can be made besides using Aspect.

No you cannot argue with me on this. It has been tested - it is fact.

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Originally Posted by Kurokikaze

Um to the person that said that they would be limited to how many leve-links you could have and essentially reduce you SP gains...

You are CLEARLY not aware that the cap on level links is three. 1 person starts the leve and 3 others link. That is the cap, there are NO further bonus to SP that can be made besides using Aspect.

No you cannot argue with me on this. It has been tested - it is fact.

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listen to this man, what he said /\

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Originally Posted by arlee

As for the OMG moar people = moar SP! you realize that there is a max link you can do right? you and 10 people linking the same leve is not gonna net you more sp than say a 5 link. more people doesn;t = more sp. you just gotta play smart, meaning pick the right leves to link and GA buff

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10 people WILL net more SP then 5 because you can do 3 runs at max links instead of 1 and a half.

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Originally Posted by Kurokikaze

Um to the person that said that they would be limited to how many leve-links you could have and essentially reduce you SP gains...

You are CLEARLY not aware that the cap on level links is three. 1 person starts the leve and 3 others link. That is the cap, there are NO further bonus to SP that can be made besides using Aspect.

No you cannot argue with me on this. It has been tested - it is fact.

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You do realize that reducing the size of the party means the chances the party all has the same amount of leves to achive max links rarely happens now. assuming theres no static group.

So great I love doing devlets at broken water cause only one of the 6 people or 8 people who whatever small size group you go with don't have enough to link. Super.

Going with 15 assures that you can do multipul runs of the good ones and blast through the crappy ones at a decent pace.

Right?

Leves are random people are random not everyone saves their leves for redoing every reset nor do they get offered the same leves every reset.

It was much more enjoyable doing 3-4 runs of dunesfolk than burning all the good leves once then twiddling your thumbs not having any leves to do until next reset.

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Originally Posted by Obeadius

I believe the party systems should be changed to an alliance system with 6 member parties. I do not believe 4 man parties will be efficient once new content/jobs are released because we are going to want certain classes in certain parties in the alliance and if the party size is only 4 people.

One idea would be to lower the party size and implement an alliance system, this would be friendly for people who would like to solo and people that would like to do more large scale events.

Seeking Party System Rather Than Recruitment Party System

The bigger issue in my mind is to change the Party Seek Function. The current party seek function is not very effective and is rarely used.

Ideas on how to change:
1) Implement /sea all functions
2) Do away with the current party seek function
3) Allow players to put flags up who are searching for Exp/Sp/Missions and allow them to designate interest
4) Implement a message box when seeking to state classes/interests

This in my mind is a more effective system. Players will be able to see where everyone that is looking for a party is and players will be able to see peoples interests. This might be more difficult because of the constant changing of job and classes and might be heavy on the servers, but if they were to come up with a system that allowed people to write in their class/job into a message box, then that could help with the load on the server.

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I see one big flaw in your "suggestion"
I want to search for ready parties, not ppl want to search for me, your flag idea isn't the god idea... when I'm in gridania for example i need to bee in a spot with players so actually someone want to notice the flag. I want a system where i will search on board (like the current one) and be displayed all the parties that are in, with the actual members that joined. I want then to click "Join" and ask them where the heck are they so i can arrive or where do we go. If we would go with the flag system how the heck will i find a party for company that are in limsa or ul'dah when I'm in gridania and can't search it. and another thing

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/sea all functions

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PLEASE!! NO MORE COMMANDS! this isn't linux! I'm not a computer to remembers XXXXXXXX Commands to operate properly... I want it all doable and clickable though menu, in nice gui, an option to select from menu for example that will display some window or something.

And about the current system. Well mostly I'll tell you how it was.

Square Enix never posted tutorial on how to use party search/recruitment system (though it mine opinion it doesn't need it since it's intuitive and easy to use - i know how to use it from first day) but, in my adventures i meet LOOOOOOOT of people who don't know how to use it... and because they don't know... they don't even care to learn... after I educated some, they started to learn this. But...another thing arrived, since there was like 80~90% of ppl that didn't know how to use the party search and recruit, the rest of ppl that do know (10%) stopped using it as well...

back around November and before in 2010 that 10% of ppl that do know created parties, some of them of cores didn't since not everybody want to be party leader and some players are afraid of the role (I was as well). Well anyway, somehow those people stopped creating those recruitments since the rest of players (that 90%) didn't looked on the board... Somehow the number decreased with time, and now the situation looks like this:

Even if someone will create recruitment it's really rare to get any response since the people who Know how to use this functionality, and the ones that don't know (still most of players don't know how to use it) know that no one ever looks there and thus they don't even bother to look there.

I was using back in 2010 quiet frequently this functionality, but now... every time i create recruitment i got no response even I'm stopping to look up there since every time i look... there is no recruitments...

I really dunno what's going up here, I saw exactly the same system in couple f2p MMORPG's and it was used normally, you saw loots of recruitments from people and could easy join a party...

Something need to be done with that...

btw. i almost forgot, I even meet ppl that didn't know what the "party" option in menu was for...

PS: I pray that this post will be on some understandable level because it's almost 4am here, I'm very tired and I'm already couple hours past my bed time...

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Originally Posted by Sonic_the_Hedgehog

Also nice signature Feldt ;)

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Thanks :3

I'm fine with 4 and 8. They seem two easily manageable numbers both balancing-wise and from the perspective of making a group.

In any case the most fun I ever had (PVE-wise) in any MMORPG were with 6-men dungeons. 4 and 8 are quite near to that number, so the mechanics shouldn't be too different.

They didn't exclude bigger groups anyway.
Yoshida said that they just want to get all the content in line for smaller parties, and then move to bigger ones.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

Yoshida said that they just want to get all the content in line for smaller parties, and then move to bigger ones.

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Well... i don't mind it that way, anyway they need to somehow bring con... um stuff to the game (CONTENT = In my Definition is Story Line and Story Quests.

All mobs and stuff added like new dungeons etc. aren't content for me) and doing storyline with like 4 ppl would be reasonable idea ^^ Anyway i won't judge etc. I just want to see it how it plays on my own eyes then i can get my opinion on that :)

PS: Damn I'm really tired i should get some sleep =_=

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Originally Posted by Feldt

Well... i don't mind it that way, anyway they need to somehow bring con... um stuff to the game (CONTENT = In my Definition is Story Line and Story Quests.

All mobs and stuff added like new dungeons etc. aren't content for me) and doing storyline with like 4 ppl would be reasonable idea ^^ Anyway i won't judge etc. I just want to see it how it plays on my own eyes then i can get my opinion on that :)

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The biggest problem is that they need to completely (and I mean it) rebalance encounters. Most current monsters aren't a challenge for a duo, let alone 4 people.

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Originally Posted by Kurokikaze

1 person starts the leve and 3 others link. That is the cap, there are NO further bonus to SP that can be made besides using Aspect.

No you cannot argue with me on this. It has been tested - it is fact.

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Woah O.o i didn't knew there was a cap for leave link O.o i usually see lots of ppl linking for max. Today i saw like 5 links on one leave.

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Originally Posted by Feldt

Woah O.o i didn't knew there was a cap for leave link O.o i usually see lots of ppl linking for max. Today i saw like 5 links on one leave.

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Well, as far as I am aware, if you don't take part to the leve link, you don't get the bonus. So the two additional ones simply linked as well because, even if they weren't adding up to the bonus, they didn't want to be left out from it.

(or they simply didn't coordinate beforehand).