Free to Play vs Pay to Play Ideas

F2P = Crap

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Originally Posted by Corrderio

F2P = Crap

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How stereotypical and deconstructive. =) You are currently playing a free to play game, mind you.

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Originally Posted by Noctura

If this game ever becomes F2P..... my entire group and I would be quitting for good.

Sorry I don't believe people with more money to spend on games irl should be able to advance above everyone else faster....
I would rather pay once a month for access to everything then not have access to anything because I can't afford to spend more then 15 a month on it... I played a lot of F2P mmos ..... and it would totally ruin this one. I hated all of them. I don't want to be reminded how poor I am every time I see the cash shop and can't spend money on some digital item. "How did you do that so fast?" - "Oh it's 20 bucks in the cash shop..." Great.... what wonderful gameplay and skill that must take...
That is the only thing that will permanently drive me and everyone I know playing away from FFXIV.

No mmo that is F2P will ever be successful, fun, or balanced in my eyes.... You are more then welcome to your opinion and I was glad to at least see you had organized ideas but I really hate threads like these...
The community is really special here.... and I really enjoy reading here.... Imagine the spam, hate and botting that would occur.... look at the forums before SE said you had to have an account. You want all those nasty people back here and in the game?

The game would be a total fail, everyone in my shell would be unhappy, and then we would all go back to XI and never look back. I love FFXIV but that's the line...
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I agree with this statement. I would walk straight away and go back to XI. Even if they managed to balance it perfectly I just have a hateful stereotype in my head about f2p games; that is I have had no good experiences with them.

Every f2p game I have been in has sucked badly. I don't have much money, and I like the fact everyone is on even ground, even if that is just buying things for vanities sake.

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Originally Posted by Nixius

I agree with this statement. I would walk straight away and go back to XI. Even if they managed to balance it perfectly I just have a hateful stereotype in my head about f2p games; that is I have had no good experiences with them.

Every f2p game I have been in has sucked badly. I don't have much money, and I like the fact everyone is on even ground, even if that is just buying things for vanities sake.

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That's really unfair. Even if it was the same as it was now, but people could buy vanity items, you would quit? That's just sad.

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Originally Posted by Eldaena

How stereotypical and deconstructive. =) You are currently playing a free to play game, mind you.

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Also this is currently a f2p game but nothing to do with the f2p _model_ you originally posted about. This is still a p2p game as far as we know unless SE announces otherwise =)

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Originally Posted by Nixius

Also this is currently a f2p game but nothing to do with the f2p _model_ you originally posted about. This is still a p2p game as far as we know unless SE announces otherwise =)

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And I take you are also in agreement that if the game were to stay as it were now for this indefinite period of free playing for a pay to play game, with a cash shop of vanity items, you would be against that as well?

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Originally Posted by Eldaena

How stereotypical and deconstructive. =) You are currently playing a free to play game, mind you.

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Temp free period =/= F2P

F2P does not make a game bad...

Horrible unfair cash shops make the game unfair. As long as the cash shop items don't give armor/weapons/exp/unfair advantages, then its OK to have those cash shops. You can charge a monthly fee to access certain areas, but should never exceed a normal sub of maybe $10/mo. But you shouldn't have multiple of these types of fees.. Either Premium member or not.

I am all for a cash shop that gives extra storage space, costumes, maybe decorating items, anything that doesn't unbalance the game that would be P2P. If this goes F2P with unfair Cash Shop, then expect this game to get washed up and become just like every other Age 8-12 game, full of young kids who freeload and fewer mature players. This will also devalue the Brand Final Fantasy, and eventually hurt every other title you release.

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Originally Posted by AuctionGirl

F2P does not make a game bad...

Horrible unfair cash shops make the game unfair. As long as the cash shop items don't give armor/weapons/exp/unfair advantages, then its OK to have those cash shops. You can charge a monthly fee to access certain areas, but should never exceed a normal sub of maybe $10/mo. But you shouldn't have multiple of these types of fees.. Either Premium member or not.

I am all for a cash shop that gives extra storage space, costumes, maybe decorating items, anything that doesn't unbalance the game that would be P2P. If this goes F2P with unfair Cash Shop, then expect this game to get washed up and become just like every other Age 8-12 game, full of young kids who freeload and fewer mature players. This will also devalue the Brand Final Fantasy, and eventually hurt every other title you release.

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I'm glad you are not being biased like some of the other posters and seeing my point.

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Originally Posted by Eldaena

Being free to play doesn't mean you get to level faster because you have more money. You are stereotyping free to play games as if they are all the same. Balancing is severely important in these matters and that's what we hear about all the time with the development team. BALANCE.

In a free to play game you don't have to buy anything. In a free to play game it doesn't have to be all the terrible things you mention if the company stays on it. And it's not as if pay to play games keep bots out. We have them now. We would have gil sellers now if it were pay to play or even a popular game.

Just like you and your group would leave if it became free to play, there are several other groups that would leave if it became pay to play. None of the things I brought up made the game unbalanced or unfair in a cash shop setting. Fashion, reasonable one-use items, and a crafting enhancement that still requires a crafter to use. I'm sorry you hate my thread, but I made pros and cons to both for a reason.

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I already drew attention to the fact your ideas were organized and not another "do this just cuz" thread. I love that you have a want for the game to do well. I understand, I am just stating my opinion in return, which happens to be total opposite of yours. I have my opinions of F2P games because for me... that is literally how they all were... I am not stereotyping... I just hate them because they wasted my time and money and pissed me off because I couldn't keep up. People would call me a bad player just because I didn't have certain items or level as fast as they did because of their one time use +20% exp increase from the cash shop and/or their Fashion items that gave them extra stats or exp+ as well. I want to escape the real world in an mmo.... not be constantly reminded how bad it is right now because I don't have money for things I like in a digital world where the in game money should be what you are paying for things with.

After playing about 10 F2P (examples being Perfect world, DnD online, and megaten a while back), I realized that on PW alone I had to spend 70 a month just to keep up with my guild in leveling. I couldn't get any clothes for fun because.... I had to spend money on stuff I needed to level. In megaten everything I wanted was cash shop items, those items had stars and everything was better on them by such a huge amount it was sad and each one cost anywhere from 5-10 bucks for ONE piece of gear in game. This of course ruined the economy of the game when people ran short on game money, bought a really good cash shop item, and sold it for millions. The person buying however has to do things 10x slower and go make all that money back because he wasn't able to afford it in the stupid shop. So people with money irl are rich in game and just raise prices on everything because you can't get it any other way. I really don't want FFXIV turning into one of these games.
I honestly cannot believe I wasted that much money on those games, when it wasn't ever enough to keep up anyway. I promised myself I would never play one again when a guild I tried to join wanted my rl monthy income and how much I was able to spend on the game as part of the application to get in due to the fact they wanted everyone to level faster, and have better access to things then the people who weren't spending money on the cash shop..... No... just no. This isn't meant for a game like FFXIV....

No you do not HAVE to buy the items.... but if you can't then why bother playing... because everyone else that can is better then you and they make sure you know it. I like crafting too, that doesn't mean I can afford to get the items to help me from the cash shop and I sit there watching someone else with a cash shop buff get ahead of me that started 10 lvls below me. That's always how it was for me and my group. I quit all those games for a good reason, that being it.
Your ideas aren't terrible and I agree that for some people it would be ok.... but I would rather pay a subscription right now to get the game going then deal with a cash shop.... it's totally discouraging to me. They might as well sell crafting bots in the cash shop imo...

I'll stop attacking your thread with walls of text... I apologize if it seemed like I was trying to troll. Nothing against you at all, I just get really bad experiences from F2P games, and I want to see FFXIV be better then that... and not sink that low. I want to be able to invite people to FFXIV and be proud of it and it's skill based community.

I am hoping they can pull this off and make the game worth paying for by PS3 release. I have to believe that lol.