The Market needs a listing fee or it'll never be a balanced and fair economy

It doesn't make any money since most items sell for 1 gil to begin with. That's why it's a waste of time.

Listing fees has been discussed for many years. It does not balance an economy. It actually tips the scales in favor of rich and huge commodity players to an epic proportion.

If your looking for balance, listing fees is a no no.

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Originally Posted by Rein-Yagami

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@OP, I still think Rein-Yagami's posts are going over your head. Not surprising. Here's what I do. I stockpile hi-volume stuff on my retainers to sell. Everyday for about 30 minutes, I go through and check the current market values and what they have been going for. For the most part, I know the maximum and minimum values each item will sell for. If they are going on the high side at the moment I check, I will put up a maximum of 3 for sale. Any more and I feel like I have diluted my chance to sell. Plus there are other items I sell. Variety is key. This can be done on ANY server and not just Balmung lol. Doing this, I can make anywhere for 50k-200k from stuff I did last month. And it's just a continuous cycle.

@Listing Fees-If people are going to bottom out a market to control it, listing fees will do nothing to stop them. It will only make them bottom it out quicker to avoid less listing fees. And since they are actively trying to control a market, they will gladly pay the listing fees, because they have the gil to pay it and they want to keep their market. Other people who may not have the gil will be less likely inclined to try selling in that market when it recovers from getting bottomed out. I also think listing fees will inflate prices, which can be good or bad depending on how you look at it. If you are a seller, you want to recover your money. If you are a buyer, you have to pay more.

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Originally Posted by Xystic

Listing fees has been discussed for many years. It does not balance an economy. It actually tips the scales in favor of rich and huge commodity players to an epic proportion.

If your looking for balance, listing fees is a no no.

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Agreed.......

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Originally Posted by Xystic

Listing fees has been discussed for many years. It does not balance an economy. It actually tips the scales in favor of rich and huge commodity players to an epic proportion.

If your looking for balance, listing fees is a no no.

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I'd love to hear how changing the post sale tax on the seller to a pre-sale list fee of the same amount would not help balance things out a bit. Saying something like this doesn't really mean anything without giving a bit of explanation. Quite frankly, nothing anyone against the OP's suggestion has said has made any good, logical point on why it's a bad idea, beyond "that doesn't sound good, I don't like it." Some people may be thinking they would be getting double charged to sell. That's not how it would work. It's not how it worked in FFXI and I would bet its not how it worked in WoW. It would and should be just 1 charge, but up front.

Would it fix the problem completely? Of course not. People with lots of cash will always be able to buy up all of a particular item up for sale to corner a market (which brings RMT into the discussion). But the vast majority of players will put items up for sale at a price, maybe undercut a bit, maybe try to get a bit more if supply is low. But if they are paying 5k to list a 100k item, they aren't going to sit at the Market Board, constantly checking to see if someone put up the item for a bit cheaper. People would be more inclined to have a bit of patience to wait those 7 days items stay for sale on your retainer. Maybe you decrease the time they stay up. I think it was 3 or 4 days in FFXI. Heck, you could refund the listing fee if the seller waits the full amount of time rather than taking it down prematurely. That seems pretty fair to me, actually. But this allows the vast majority of the market (see above about very rich players and RMT) to operate more on supply and demand.

And to anyone arguing that's not how it works in real life. First of all, in retail, yes it is. A distributor that wants to sell a food item at a Walmart or a Target or whatever has to pay a "slot fee" to get their product a spot on the shelving. Second of all, even in markets where this doesn't apply, I argue you can't compare the game economy to real life. Mostly just because people obviously care much much more about their real life money than virtual cash in an mmo. People aren't willing to totally hamstring themselves financially to make a quick sale in real life. You don't see two gas stations on opposite corners of each other constantly slashing their gas prices to make sure they have the lower price. They understand thats not good for business. They usually have the exact same price. In an MMO, a vast majority don' have that business sense. Many simply don't care too much. Especially in a game where in game currency doesn't get you much beyond purely vanity items like an expensive minion or housing. But thats another discussion. Many may value inventory space more than a few more gil, so they sell stuff super cheap to get rid of stuff. The point being that the economically uneducated and apathetic need some help and limits from above to keep the economy healty

OP this is not a good idea, your intentions are well placed but as one with a good amount of gil on hand I can tell you this idea would only favor me more and make it even harder for ppl with barely any gil to keep up on the market board.

for example: I post 5 items at 99 stack for x amount of gil, someone else who wants to compete on the market with me post 7 items at 99 stack for less than mine.
me having plenty of gil on hand decide ill just undercut this person to put my items back at the lowest price should this keep up my opponent will simply burn themselves out before I even feel a dent in the millions of gil I have saved, thus I maintain my market and can begin to make back any lost gil x5 within the same day effectively losing nothing and eliminating another potential competitor.

fact is this idea favors the rich and screws the poor even more not the best way to go about trying to balance things out!

Fact of the matter is, until about 3 weeks ago I didn't particularly care about massing a large amount of gil~

I run a tiny FC (myself and a irl friend+1 ingame friend)~ we got to lvl6 and can now buy a FC house (Smallest is almost 2m on balmung)

over the course of 2 weeks, playing for 2-4 hours per day I made over a million gil~ It's really not difficult guys

Shards sell fairly good, small prices but you can sell alot of them at once~
Materia sells fairly well, Gathering and Crafting sells better on balmung atm
Do the DD dungeon(lvl44) it has green dungeon loot that can be sold (only dungeon I'm aware of past halatali that has this)
Do your Duty finder Roulettes every day~ it may not sound like much, but getting the daily bonus each day will start to add up.

Hope people realise that gil harvesting isn't some dark magic that's sucking the lives of every "fair" player dry~ because it really isn't

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Very true. However, people with a lot money, the time and the will to do this are in a vast minority to the amount of people just trying to sell their stuff normally. So while, like I said, rich people will always be able to corner markets (which is no different from now- a richer player with lots of money is still going to have the advantage over Joe Lalafell with 150k gil to his name trying to break into the rich guys mirror apple market. But for the economy as a whole, for the thousands of items that aren't being cornered, a listing fee would really help stabilize prices.

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Originally Posted by MapleDeepDish

Very true. However, people with a lot money, the time and the will to do this are in a vast minority to the amount of people just trying to sell their stuff normally. So while, like I said, rich people will always be able to corner markets (which is no different from now- a richer player with lots of money is still going to have the advantage over Joe Lalafell with 150k gil to his name trying to break into the rich guys mirror apple market. But for the economy as a whole, for the thousands of items that aren't being cornered, a listing fee would really help stabilize prices.

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No, what would help is the game refusing to let you sell items on the markets for less than what a vendor would give you~

Yea I would be in favor of that, too!