Regarding yet again... more nerfs.

I can understand the "People should get to experience the content" argument, but Extreme Mode primals came out just last content update, if anything they should've been left alone. I don't care about the "Special Snowflake" PoV that people seem to think exists, but I think people forget that when content gets nerfed you're also taking away the ability of old players to revisit difficult content - not just giving new players or (bad) players the chance to beat it. If they couldn't beat Titan EX what makes them any more likely to beat Leviathan EX? Why is the babying necessary if it comes at the expense of limiting older player's experiences?

I also hate to sound elitist but this just contributes to the overall problem of people being impatient or hostile in higher level instances due to the perception that people who routinely fail were carried through fights they had no business beating and or undeservedly obtained their gear (Though a lot of that can be from CT or just the concept of token loot to begin with). I'm not saying it's fair that that sort of prejudice exists, but it does add another layer of suspicion and skepticism that doesn't do much to help the game's community.

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Originally Posted by Prototype909

I can understand the "People should get to experience the content" argument, but Extreme Mode primals came out just last content update, if anything they should've been left alone. I don't care about the "Special Snowflake" PoV that people seem to think exists, but I think people forget that when content gets nerfed you're also taking away the ability of old players to revisit difficult content - not just giving new players or (bad) players the chance to beat it. If they couldn't beat Titan EX what makes them any more likely to beat Leviathan EX? Why is the babying necessary if it comes at the expense of limiting older player's experiences.

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None of the extreme primals or The Binding Coil of Bahamut are getting nerfed specifically for this reason. So people who like challenging stuff can still have the original challenge. Only Pharos Sirius and Amdapor Keep are being adjusted. The players themselves are getting the boost for this content, a boost which is optional and can be turned of just like any other buff for those who do not wish to use it.

Well the thing is I guess if you want a challenge then you should be heading to Coil2.

They have said from way back that when new content came out they would change old content so casuals would be able to do it, its WoW syndrome I suppose ..... but heres the thing you aren't the only person playing this game and SE have to cater to both sets of players.

I do agree that making standard dungeons more easy is a bit silly though.

Echo buff won't even be an issue if you can beat it first time, if you can't then its just a helping hand and if you so offended by that you shouldn't have died the previous time :P

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Originally Posted by Prototype909

I think people forget that when content gets nerfed you're also taking away the ability of old players to revisit difficult content - not just giving new players or (bad) players the chance to beat it. If they couldn't beat Titan EX what makes them any more likely to beat Leviathan EX? Why is the babying necessary if it comes at the expense of limiting older player's experiences.

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The echo buff is NOT taking that experience away. You can still clear the content as much as you want in its original difficulty. The echo is only applied if you die after three minutes of constant fighting. And the Coil echo can be removed. People still have to learn the mechanics. The echo buff isn't going to stop players from being knocked off the edge from Landslides or cleaving the party with Divebombs.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

And still adding words to my post that never existed to fit your argument.

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Nope, I didn't say that you said it and anyone reading your post can see .. I was simply suggesting you didn't waste your time replying like that if that was your intent.

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Originally Posted by Tupsi

It's not bad business when you can look around and see how many relics exist, which btw, outweighs how many who can't beat titan HM

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The number of Relics in existence is irrelevant, the number of characters is .. in any case I doubt you have the numbers to even prove your asserted 'fact'.

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Originally Posted by KoujiMoreno

ITP: We take someone else's post and spin it to fit our argument. I would wager you'd be a pretty good politician or lawyer.

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Since you chose not to quote what I posted to which this cute little epithet applies I can only observe that yes, I probably could, because I'm good at seeing the logical fallacies paraded as 'facts' so often posted in web forums.

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Originally Posted by Galactimus

The echo buff is NOT taking that experience away. You can still clear the content as much as you want in its original difficulty. The echo is only applied if you die after three minutes of constant fighting. And the Coil echo can be removed. People still have to learn the mechanics. The echo buff isn't going to stop players from being knocked off the edge from Landslides or cleaving the party with Divebombs.

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Expanding on what Galactimus said above. I hope everyone realizes that pre-2.2 content for endgamers in getting "nerfed" anyways because once you get ilvl100+ gear Titan, Garuda, Ifrit and Coils 1-5 are just going to be rollface for the people who already complete those on a regular basis. You'd have to get your entire party to downgrade to Darklight and rerun Coils 1-5 (for example) to get the experience you all want, and I'm pretty sure none of the complainers are doing that now anyways. <.<

Every single time I read this topic's name on the first page of General Discussion I read it as "Roegadyn yet again... more nerfs." >.< I kinda do wish it was about Roegadyn .___.

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Originally Posted by Ferocious

At least make [the echo] optional for people who don't mind a challenge.

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It is. Please actually read things instead of flying off the handle.

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Originally Posted by Kyrosiris

It is. Please actually read things instead of flying off the handle.

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Do you know where you are?

to OP :
Because there are people who not adept at playing games or can't play the job correctly but they want to defeat twintania and EX primals with an easy way.
If SE didn't do this they will leave the game and this means less source money for them. Most of them are majority who enjoy the story and stuff instead of challenge...,

maybe in the future they want one man & one-hit twintania /doh :rolleyes: