Is "PvP" farming allowed?

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Originally Posted by realistic1

I agree that the analogy is a fail but, it was not my analogy. You provided the example of passing on loot in a dungeon as a comparison for the discussion on whether two teams agreeing to intentionally throw matches to trade wins violates game rules. My facetious point is that this is not even close to being a valid comparison as you have a PASS option button on loot given to you by developers as a legitimate choice.

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The win/loss button was certainly not mine. I’m not sure how else you expected that point to be taken. Here’s mine:

Trading wins in pvp matches

Rewards:
*Marks for buying gear/materia.
*Experience for buying pvp skills.

Carrying/co-oping with a premade group with pre-established need/greed/pass agreements

Rewards:
*Easy experience points (depending on level).
*Possibility of obtaining gear for sub-classes.
*Possible spiritbonding opportunity.

As you can see the rewards are not vastly different. Having a benefit to playing with friends is exactly that, and exactly the way it should be in most cases. The only real difference in these two scenarios is that one is much lamer than the other.

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Originally Posted by realistic1

And why do you assume that I am referring to someone that is simply looking objectively at the situation rather than someone that is condoning and promoting as stated???

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I guess you’re right. I was assuming a little. It’s just the tone of your post, which I know doesn’t necessarily reflect the affliction in which one speaks. If that’s not the case I apologize.

I think they should decrease the marks award buff. z_z This game is making every farming mechanic ridiculously easy. u_u

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Originally Posted by Cleftobismal

I think they should decrease the marks award buff. z_z This game is making every farming mechanic ridiculously easy. u_u

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Please no.

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The win/loss button was certainly not mine.

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The example you provided which resulted in my facetious comment on the win/lose button came from this quote of yours:

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As far as letting people win marks...I pass on tank gear for FC members when in various dungeons...am I in violation?

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My point is that passing on gear where you have button/choice on your screen provided by the developer is not a valid comparison to someone that gathers 8 members and all agree to trade win/losses for an unfair advantage. I exaggerated my point by suggesting that if there was a win/lose button similar to the pass button, perhaps your comparison would be valid from a violation (not moral) standpoint.

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As you can see the rewards are not vastly different.

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It is not the rewards that are in violation, it is how they are obtained. We are certainly in agreement that earning them via trading wins is lame.

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Originally Posted by Imapooonu

Please no.

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Is it because reaching Rank 30 w/ I90 pvp gears is such a joke to get, now that you can abuse the awards bonuses with the "pvp farm"? Because I'm not laughing. I imagine this abuse of farming takes only takes a minute and twenty seconds to do. (One minute for waiting time. 20 seconds to allow others to kill you naked)

PvP stopped being PvP when points for armor upgrades where added. Now thats only incentive most so called PvPers do it. PvP used to be about competition and building grudges and/or respect for opponents. Now it's just another gear treadmill.

Plenty of PVP games reward you gear/skills for collecting "pvp points" yet cheating the system isnt allowed or blatantly ignored like it is here.

I dont think the "gear treadmill" is the problem here.

The problem is that if you tried to farm realm points on DAOC, you got banned and ostracized by the community.
If you tried to farm battle ranks on Planetside first you were teamkilled, then reported and suspended.

On FFXIV, nobody cares :D

The game is left with the community it built.

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Originally Posted by Maqaqa

Plenty of PVP games reward you gear/skills for collecting "pvp points" yet cheating the system isnt allowed or blatantly ignored like it is here.

I dont think the "gear treadmill" is the problem here.

The problem is that if you tried to farm realm points on DAOC, you got banned and ostracized by the community.
If you tried to farm battle ranks on Planetside first you were teamkilled, then reported and suspended.

On FFXIV, nobody cares :D

The game is left with the community it built.

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I don't think its a matter of SE not caring. It's more of SE is too cheap to up their customer support team.

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Originally Posted by Deca

You people never stop looking for someone to vilify.

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What do you mean YOU PEOPLE!?

I dont think it's a very nice thing to do so.

On a side note, i dont think its a very nice thing to wait 30+ minutes in queue for 1 game u lose due to no item level/ skill check and get a 2.6k hp healer in your group.

I think some things need to be tuned. :)