Well let's say I do go 30MND and main my SCH how useless will be my SMN?
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01-06-2014, 06:27 PMAruji
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01-06-2014, 06:37 PMMarcusow86
While you put 30 in MND, without a doubt your DPS with SMN will be lower. Your SMN will never be useless but will not be able to reach it's maximum potency to DPS.
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01-06-2014, 08:13 PMMhaericAssuming ~250 dps for a SMN with 450 INT, a loss of 30 INT should result in ~15 dps less. Over the course of a minute that's equal to about one critical hit Fester.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aruji
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01-06-2014, 08:23 PMCalyanare
Guys, PIE does more than just give you more MP and MP regen. My Coil static still hasn't downed Turn 5 (not enough practice in yet, for various reasons), and we did some work on it today. For fun, I respecced from 30VIT to 15VIT/15PIE, just to see if there was any noticeable difference. I use Selene during T5 normally, for the DPS buffs. At first I didn't notice anything unusual, but after a couple of attempts, our DRG and BRDs complained that today they kept running out of TP, which they say they never did before on a single target, and they hadn't had this happen in our last attempts (a couple of days before, when I had no bonus points in PIE), either. This is when the tank pointed out that Death Sentence and Conflag weren't matching up the way they normally do. I switched to Eos for the next few attempts, they were no longer running out of TP, and the DS/Conflags were synched again like we're used to.
Something is up with this, and I'm not smart enough to figure out what. Apparently, somehow, with the only change being 15PIE on my stats, my whole group was doing more DPS. Of course, most people in this thread probably believe this is impossible. Is there any way to test this for sure? -
01-06-2014, 08:39 PMMhaericSimple enough to test. Respec with 0 piety, find a dps friend, use the fairy skill speed buff, and have your friend check their recast timers. Repeat after respeccing to 30 piety (or possibly 15, although the breakpoint is likely to be different from dps to dps.) I highly doubt this is the cause of your situation because 15 piety is unlikely to cause more than 0.01s difference in recast reduction. There is no way that tiny a difference would be noticed by your party. Assuming piety even affects the fairie's buffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calyanare
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01-06-2014, 08:44 PMAruji
I def like SCH guess Ill mess around with 30mnd and 30 pie and see what seems better and 15dps loss on SMN doesnt seem that bad I just mainly wanna pvp with him or kill fates
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01-06-2014, 08:46 PMCalyanareYeah, but I asked my group, and the only other person who had changed anything about their setup was one BRD Zenithed his relic (and he wasn't the one complaining about TP). I'll definitely try the test you suggested, but while I'm doing that I'm also going to take a closer look at how the change affects the fairy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mhaeric
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01-06-2014, 08:54 PMMhaericMy guess? Before 2.1 Serene would not cast the melee speed reduction ability on her own, it had to be manually cast. Since the patch about a week ago she now casts it herself. The difference between her casting it and not casting it is about 0.12s recast reduction iirc. It might be a bit more. This might be significant enough of a difference to be noticeable by your dps and tanks, especially given the difference you pointed out between eos and selene.Quote:
Originally Posted by Calyanare
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01-06-2014, 11:19 PMYmbryne
Calyanare - If you were using Selene, then I'm assuming you were using her spell speed and skill speed buffs, which would mean that your DPS was killing things faster, of course.
Original poster - If you've progressed into Coil, it's more than likely you have a static group, which means it's very unlikely that you're going to be switching to your SMN for Coil unless your composition drastically changes. And if that's the case, you're going to make the decision about which job you're going to raid with. You're also going to only be able to get so many Myth tomes, or find so many Allagan drops, to where both jobs will be equally geared and equally valuable for Coil.
If you absolutely need to be on SMN and will miss that +30 INT (which isn't at all likely unless you're going into Coil or Extreme Primals), buy the GC stat reset item.
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01-06-2014, 11:20 PMYmbryne
Please do not listen to the rubbish about speccing PIE instead of MND. Mind is at least 4 (some say 5) times more valuable than any of the secondary stats, and if you're really having mana issues (which you shouldn't be) then you can eat Mulled Tea for a healthy boost of +14 PIE (HQ). There is no such equivalent for Mind, remember. You are unnecessarily gimping yourself for "only 50 less heals huehue."
Heal smarter, not spammier. ~50 less HPs on your Physick means that you're casting ten Physicks to my nine Physicks to restore the same amount of HP. Not only is that net loss of 133 MP, it's also a wasted global that could be better off used elsewhere. I'm not even including the gimpier Fairy heals, either - PIE won't affect her, whereas MND will, so your HP/s is even lower.
And finally, you're losing +30 INT when you swap to Cleric Stance to DPS, by not speccing into MND. That's a significant drop, and yes it does matter in end-game content.