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Originally Posted by realistic1

I stand the same chance as you at being slept by a blm or whm AND the CC impacts me the same as you. I take that back- I stand a greater chance at being slept than you. I am expected to sleep the healer (not save my a$$ with the CC), I am usually top priority (alongside heals) for enemy sleep, and I usually have 3 opposing players after me before our healer. Stop whining about a 30 sec CC and get purify. If you want my sleep, trade several instant attacks that I can use while moving with the ability to bind and silence and you can have my sleep.

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Did you have to reply to yourself like 10 times? there's a edit button for you to add more words to your own reply. I can tell you are obviously trolling pretty hard, everyone knows Purify does not save you from multi class sleeps. Diminishing returns does nothing, did you not read the part I said Premade 3-4 man? They are on team speak etc and can coordinate who to sleep and who to focus on. You are still talking about Pug parties or pre-made of 2, on top of that you're a blm yourself and even admitted to losing to the same comps.

Anyone that is arguing and saying sleep is OP'ed already has Purify, we are arguing that you still can not counter Sleep's duration with Purify being used 1 time and then a CD of over 1.30mins or 3mins for most. And yes killing one person in pvp without getting healed takes 2-10 secs, time it. Why do you think people will target a Blm over a BRD/MNK/DRG/PLD/WAR/SMN ? Because the BLM HAS AOE SLEEP. You even admitted you are always being focused on, and that's the sole reason. You can keep trying to deny it all you want, anyone that has played any pvp game will agree a 30sec sleep timer, let alone AOE and can be re-casted over is retarded.

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Did you have to reply to yourself like 10 times?there's a edit button for you to add more words to your own reply.

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To purposely get around the forum word limitation? No, I choose to abide by the forum restrictions which allow 1000 characters per post. Each of my posts address a specific quote/statement and although I do not like the 1000 character limit per post, I will abide by the guidelines until they change the rules. As you are simply restating some of the same points that I previously presented valid argument against with no additional input, I will only address those comments that have not already been covered. (might take multiple posts/replies so please be patient) ;)

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everyone knows Purify does not save you from multi class sleeps.

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Purify cancels 1 sleep effect. Sleep is sleep regardless of class and share the same diminishings. If this is not correct, please point me to a credible resource showing otherwise. Purify is ONE of the handful of mitigation items I presented for sleep- ONE.

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did you not read the part I said Premade 3-4 man? They are on team speak etc and can coordinate who to sleep and who to focus on. You are still talking about Pug parties or pre-made of 2.

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It does not matter whether it is 2,3,4 man premade or total pug, we are discussing whether or not the CC sleep is OP not if it becomes OP when some groups organize and use it against weaker groups as this can be said about almost every good ability.

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on top of that you're a blm yourself and even admitted to losing to the same comps

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Yes, I lose many a battle solo queue against 3 man premades- blm or no blm. I also do not like facing a 2 smn group but you do not hear me QQing about summoners or 3 man premades. Do you know why? I have an option of queing solo or making a premade and guess what, I have the option of adding a smn, blm or whm to that party just like you.

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Why do you think people will target a Blm over a BRD/MNK/DRG/PLD/WAR/SMN ? Because the BLM HAS AOE SLEEP.

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Do you think I am debating whether sleep is a good pvp CC? Of course we are targeted for our CC, we are also targeted first because we are MUCH easier and quicker to kill than a healer- one good reason for my squishy class to HAVE sleep.

@realistic1, you're still trying to defend this? Your posts just scream class bias, and inexperience. Every class, including warrior and paladins can be burned down fast if the opposing team is all asleep and/or not expecting it. If you're so upset over all this, maybe BLM just isn't your thing in PvP. Maybe PvP isn't your thing. You clearly have no concept of balance in a competitive environment.

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Originally Posted by Rawkzor

@realistic1, you're still trying to defend this?

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Not trying, I have.

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Every class, including warrior and paladins can be burned down fast if the opposing team is all asleep and/or not expecting it.

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Team all asleep? This is never an issue even in my pugs. Not expecting it? How is that possible when you know the CC and classes exist and see the blm or whm across the room prior to start or leaving the entrance?

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If you're so upset over all this, maybe BLM just isn't your thing in PvP. Maybe PvP isn't your thing.

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'I' am upset about this? What is ‘this’? You are a bit confused as the only thing upsetting is the unnecessary QQ from people that want everything they do not have nerfed. Keep in mind I am not upset and whining about anything pvp- not summoners, not scholars, not premades. I am defending an ability you are QQng about. I enjoy pvp- I do not sit around on forums whining about how others need to be nerfed. On the other hand…you have complained on the forums about blms, whm, sch, smn, even monks. You have told us about how pissed you get when a whm uses surecast esuna to remove your bind and complained about several of their abilities including pushback. All this after a post promoting that stuns should be thrown out on anyone not sleeping and slapping the healer in the face until they run away crying. Which is it- you afraid of them or like to beat them up? Heck, you have even whined about my tiny little nerfed scathe and how big bad and scary that is for you. If anyone is upset and should reconsider pvp, I think it is you my unhappy very critical and extremely biased friend. :rolleyes:

You argue worse than Akiza. You cannot Swiftcast Esuna to remove a stun, because you are STUNNED! You're trying to defend Sleep lasting 30 seconds on all these forums, and complaining that every other class is OP because BLM gets targeted first. Also, there was no complaining about WHMs, or MNKs. You made that up. I have commented on several threads about Sleep lasting too long, and SMN damage being exceedingly high. I think you just suck at arguing, PvP, and playing your class. Have fun with that. Bye.

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Originally Posted by Rawkzor

You argue worse than Akiza. You cannot Swiftcast Esuna to remove a stun, because you are STUNNED!

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It was a simple typo which I will correct. I was referring to your whining on swiftcast esuna on your 'binds'. There has been so much whining from you on CCs that I incorrectly inserted the wrong effect you were whining about this specific time. My error, you would whining about a WHM using swiftcast esuna to remove your ‘bind’ and I will correct my statement to show this.

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You're trying to defend Sleep lasting 30 seconds on all these forums

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Unless you are a total fail or a healer starting out on your first few pvp matches, there is absolutely zero reason you should sit through a 30 sec sleep. The most anyone should be slept is 15 seconds and with all the mitigation available, I rarely see anyone in a full 15 sec cc.

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and complaining that every other class is OP because BLM gets targeted first.

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At least my mistake is a typo, yours is total fabrication. As stated previously in other posts, I do not think other classes are OP- never said that never thought that. As also previously stated, I do not even have an issue with the smn class.

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Also, there was no complaining about WHMs, or MNKs. You made that up.

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I certainly did not and you whine about whm quite a bit. You were complaining about too much CC in one post and then complained again in another post about these classes (plus several others) having AOE crowd control. Here is just one quote “It would also be nice if classes like SMN, SCH, BLM, and MNK didn't have AoE crowd controls.” Your posts are filled with complaints about most classes other than your own.

And just curious, you said you were not replying to me anymore, why the change of heart? (rhetorical question)

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Originally Posted by realistic1

It was a simple typo which I will correct. I was referring to your whining on swiftcast esuna on your 'binds'. There has been so much whining from you on CCs that I incorrectly inserted the wrong effect you were whining about this specific time. My error, you would whining about a WHM using swiftcast esuna to remove your ‘bind’ and I will correct my statement to show this.

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Wrong again! I said Surecast esuna Binds, not Swiftcast. You seem to still misunderstand the point though. Repose (and sleep) last far too long, especially when combined with the other crowd control effects, and defensive skills they have under their belt. I'm not the only one who thinks so.