How about full dexterity on Paladin? thank you

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Originally Posted by Hachiko

No I think someone should do some extensive testing of this.

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I thought this was a moot point, especially since everyone scoffs at the idea of using DEX at all since it's not on tank gear at all. Anytime I have brought it up, I have been slammed for even thinking about it. To be honest, I have been lacking seals until recently and trying to decide what I am going to do with my points after setting it to 25 DEX 5 VIT. Seeing as how I don't plan on going into coil soon, won't be tanking Titan soon, thinking about going full piety for that extra flash. :/sarcasm. Probably just going to reach for a little STR then rest to VIT. I wanted to start parsing to see a WAR specific affect on DEX, but got lazy, really lazy, and then depressed reading these forums. So I gave up. LOL Not like it matters now that they said they are going to 'fix' WARS. No sense in arguing anything now.

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Originally Posted by Hachiko

If you really wanted to be silly you could calculate a "time to death" at various levels of DPS for various levels of DEX / STR but it seems like a fool's errand to me. If you had 10k HP it would be easily worth it to sacrifice 10% of your HP for an additional 5% damage reduction, particularly at the current levels of DPS.

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I agree that it depends entirely on whether you'd otherwise live through content.

Aside from Spirits Within, Vit basically affects a Paladin's HP buffer before death and passive regeneration rate. Personally I'd rather give a healer an extra >10% HP buffer to work with than myself an extra 2% to parry - Paladin already has a large amount of passive mitigation and cooldowns to work with, and that extra raw HP would be put to good use.

My reasoning would be that higher Maximum HP means that I could consistently withstand higher levels of spike damage. Given current content (bosses dealing large damage hits far apart, a Tank's HP bar usually being healed to full between hits) I find the ability to take much larger hits in a short space of time vastly preferable to potentially taking slightly less ongoing damage over time... But yes, I agree that if I am running content where my HP is never going to be topped up then the extra block/parry mitigation could potentially work out slightly better than the extra passive regeneration from Vit.

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If you look at it this way, a PLD will block ~22% of the incoming hits, and parry ~19% of those not blocked (at my gear level, anyway). That means 41% of hits are reduced by a significant amount. If you can take that up by 3% each, that would mean 25% blocks and 22% parries. That's 47% of all hits being reduced by a significant amount.

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Wearing Allagan/Hero gear and 5x Melded Gryphonskin Accessories will allow you to hit around ~406 Str (just managing to reach the next block strength tier) and ~235 Dex (around 15-20 above our estimated floor, which observations suggest would barely be enough for an extra +2% Parry rate, but we'll assume PLD scale is slightly different to WAR and you manage to get +3% somehow) so the maximum you're going to be able to get is +2% Strength and +3% Rate from throwing everything into Dex and rocking extremely-pricey overmelded HQ Gryphonskin accessories.

Relic +1 and Allagan Shields both have a Block Value of 181; so either one would give around a 28% Block Strength at 406 Str. Likewise, Parry is a flat 25% Strength at 406 Str.

So without the Gryphonskins and Point Distribution, you'd be looking at an average damage mitigation from Block of (0.26*0.22)=5.72% followed by an average damage mitigation from Parry of (0.23*0.19)=4.37%. Recalculating for the Gryphonskins and Point Distribution, you'd be looking at an average damage mitigation from Block of (0.28*0.25)=7.00% followed by an average damage mitigation from Parry of (0.25*0.22)=5.50%.

That's an average damage mitigation gain of (1.28+1.13)=2.41%

So, assuming a "best case scenario" (where you manage to go up 2 Block strength tiers and 3 Parry rate tiers, where the damage you're taking is non-magic/blockable and where you're able to face all your opponents 100% of the time)... the tradeoff would boil down to if you prefer an additional +10-15% HP (depending on gear), or an additional ~2.41% passive damage mitigation.

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You've really screwed up your math.

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Probably, but it gives me a ballpark figure to work with.
And I'd rather be able to take a hit that's 12% bigger than require 2.4% less healing over time. YMMV.

When we first started fighting Cadecues In turn one I was getting hit for about 2500 so it was healing intensive. I changed to full dex and I started blocking like crazy blocking 26% and parry 23%. I as blocking/parrying 1/3 attacks without bulwark up. So instead of getting hit for 2500 it was more like 1900 so I saved about 600 hp doing that.

But all dex doesn't help in turn 2 at all . I still think more tests need to be done before we can really say go full this or go that. A spread sheet of the stats tier would be good. Meaning dex between 225-250 = this block rate. Str between 225-250 = amount blocked. Now the str one is done bd ut we really dont have a dex one.

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Originally Posted by CyberSection

Have anyone try this build before?
I feel full ability dex point and Accessories(dex+vit) more dodge rate
I complete relic weapon, ready try to cob

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/trolling
Hmm could you try out full mind to give your cureI more oomph so that I can stay in cleric stance longer please?