Warriors Have to Wait Until 2.1...

Don't feel like WAR is really much different than before in comparison. As the game developed through the 1.xx phase... Warrior was typically the SR AoE tank where PLD was typically the single target tank.

Nothing has changed, and the only reason PLDs currently SR faster than WAR is due to Sac pulls. Something SE clearly wants to nerf...

Both jobs can do all content, each job has it's on edge based on the style of content.

You don't need math or anything really to see how good PLD is compared to WAR. Hallowed Ground and the fact that they can cross Stone Skin puts them way far ahead. I mean come on, Foresight VS Sentinal, pally comes out on top with almost every CD. They only thing WAR really has is Thrill of Battle which is O.K.

Regardless, WAR can do T1-4... BUT I am under the impression that WAR is not even possible for attempting T5 which is the main problem. I know many WAR's on my server Behemoth who have leveled a paladin specifically for Turn 5.

It's discussions like this that make me laugh when the community was outraged in 1.0 that there were no specific jobs and that the classes were too similar and everyone could be what they wanted. So what does SE do? Designs specific jobs so everyone can't have the same abilities to make jobs more distinct.

And now? We have the community with job envy wanting other class abilities or for similar type mitigation scaling mechanics. Really the irony...

I have seen pics and videos of groups downing turn 4 with a warrior and pld combo

the only thing stopping you is you

Stoneskin is also not as good as you people are making it out to be.
500 hp saved with a 2.5 sec cast time and uses the GCD

- also interupts your RoH combo which most people would never stop mid combo just to do a stoneskin

but considering that's over 1800 myth tombs of waiting, most of which paladins won't need to spend on their pld main jobs because they will be able to do the content to get coil gear. Paladind will be even more preferred because, as a population, they will in general have more potent gear, which warriors need to expend their myth tombs on to try and stay competitive despite this imbalance.

I'd rather it come in 2.1 instead of hamfisted into the game in a hotfix that only has a week of testing.

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Originally Posted by Reinheart

SE Testing

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Considering the player play style for PLD was "Use rampart when shit gets dicey" I don't have any faith in SE to test their shit properly.

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Originally Posted by Soulburn32

I have seen pics and videos of groups downing turn 4 with a warrior and pld combo

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Yeah and guess who main tanks all the actual hard stuff? Mr. PLD. I keep seeing people say they use WAR for Turn 4 just fine but I never hear anyone say they MT the 4 Stack Dreadnought or Double Dreads at the end.

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Originally Posted by Soulburn32

Stoneskin

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It's 10% of your effective max HP and you can reuse it quickly if you have the opportunity. Thrill of Battle is only 20% so 2 Stoneskins is all a PLD needs to overcome one of WARs 120s cooldowns. It also does not interupt your RoH combo. You can finish your combo once the Stoneskin is cast. Granted it Delays your combo a bit but maintaining hate isn't really that difficult where delaying it for one GCD will make you lose it.

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Originally Posted by CurlyBruce

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Is this some ego thing with you people? Do you get less gear for being the off tank? Do you think off tanking requires no skill?

Is there some kind of magic, "oh im the off tank so I never take damage or need to hold hate" button I am missing in my HUD?

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Originally Posted by CurlyBruce

Yeah and guess who main tanks all the actual hard stuff? Mr. PLD. I keep seeing people say they use WAR for Turn 4 just fine but I never hear anyone say they MT the 4 Stack Dreadnought or Double Dreads at the end.
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Exactly, my group runs PLD and WAR and we get T4 down first night no problem WITH our MT being PLD. In fact I think PLD + WAR really shines in T4 compared to most of the other turns where PLD cool downs make it a better choice.

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Originally Posted by Soulburn32

Is this some ego thing with you people? Do you get less gear for being the off tank? Do you think off tanking requires no skill?

Is there some kind of magic, "oh im the off tank so I never take damage or need to hold hate" button I am missing in my HUD?

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Um... What? That's not what he's saying. What hes saying is the WAR is never MT because it's not nearly as good... Where did you see ego in any of that? T4 off tank has a much harder job than MT but WAR just isn't suited for tanking massive damage ironicly enough.