Best SMN rotation: Teach me Mogster.

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

Oh and, don't use off GCD abilities during GCDs.

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Can you elaborate this please? I dont see why during a GCD where you cant do nothing is better then to put dmg during those times. Unless you made a mistake.

What do you mean by "can't do nothing?"

If you mean, like, boss is unattackable, then you shouldn't be using a cooldown. Aetherflow is fine, obviously.

If you can predict when it will be come attackable (say like, after jump on titan), then sure, queue up a RS or spur or something.

But if you're in the middle of your rotation, never use a cooldown or fester or somesuch unless you can put it inside the GCD of a Bio, or a Ruin II.

Basically use your best judgement.

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

Tri disaster does more damage that thunder tabbing if you are dealing with 4 or more targets. Damage is pitiful but hey, so is miasma II damage. You can do both.

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I think you're probably right, though usually what I end up doing (in a 4+ enemy situation) is tabbing to an enemy that bane may have missed, and start casting my dots again on him to re-bane to any enemies that may have escaped the initial plague spread as well. A friend in our raid group always tells the tank to "stack them tighter than your momma's *****", but sometimes it just doesn't end up that way.

On a side note: does anyone know if there's an actual limit to how many mobs Bane can spread your DoTs to (assuming they're all stacked closely enough)?

It's only 3 sadly.

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

Tri disaster does more damage that thunder tabbing if you are dealing with 4 or more targets. Damage is pitiful but hey, so is miasma II damage. You can do both.

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Tri-disaster will do more immediate damage to the group, but if the individual mobs you cast thunder on live for a decent amount of time(not doing the math right now), it could potentially still be worth using Thunder on up to 7 targets.

I mean, you'll run out of MP, but..still.

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Originally Posted by Beliel

Can you elaborate this please? I dont see why during a GCD where you cant do nothing is better then to put dmg during those times. Unless you made a mistake.

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"can't do nothing"

Ruin/Ruin II

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If you want to use an off-GCD skill, use Ruin II and use it between the GCDs.

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

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That´s not what i meant.

Off GCD skills means the skills aren´t affected by the GCD, which means they can be used during (not in between) the GCD.
The way you said it: "Oh and, don't use off GCD abilities during GCDs." means the oposite. The GCD is when we cant do anything skill related thats why its a cooldown. I think your thinking the right thing, but expressing the opposite. My english isn´t the best too, but i think the correct way (and what your thinking) is "Oh and, use off GCD abilities during GCDs."

But then again, this game have long cast times, and a GCD happens during that, so maybe you were refering to that, i dont know..its late here. :3

I think we're saying the same thing, but misinterpreting.

Either way I think we "get it", so I'm going to assume so and forge onwards.

@Kevee about thunder.

You're right in each thunder is ~240 potency, so tab targetting is more potency per cast I think.

Its kinda awkward though imo, and esp cause you have to save time inbetween to retridot and bane, its a pain to tab around.

I just think of it as the easier way of , thunder does ~30 pps, tri-disaster is 10 pps/target, so at 4+ its superior pps. I haven't actually simmed an aoe situation.

Once I finish DoW classes and do my sim for DoM, i'll let you know!

Eh...its also not exactly the most efficient spell, but I think I would prefer to tri-disaster than to try to thunder around.

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

You mean aetherflow?

The only benefit I can think of is mana, maybe, but no, never aetherflow if you still have stacks to spend.

Your DPS is more important than your mana, but you should never be in a situation (aside from right as you begin the fight) where you have aetherflow stacks and aetherflow is off cooldown.

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Ahh sorry, was a bit tired when I posted that.

Yeah I assumed that. I just keep seeing people posting their rotation starting with Aetherflow and wasn't sure why. I try to keep it applied before combat so it's off CD faster. I also thought it was sort of common sense to start with 3 stacks if possible.

My current rotation:

Aetherflow > Raging Strikes > Bio II > Miasma > Bio > Ruin II > Virus > Ruin II > Fester > Ruin II > Energy Drain > Ruin II > (Rouse > Contagion > Ruin > Ruin > Ruin II > Fester > Ruin II) Energy Drain > Ruin spam

I cast Aetherflow before fights start so after my first rotation i have it up again so i can go through my rotation again without having to ruin spam for very long waiting for aetherflow to come back up.

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Originally Posted by Gomtagn

My current rotation:

Aetherflow > Raging Strikes > Bio II > Miasma > Bio > Ruin II > Virus > Ruin II > Fester > Ruin II > Energy Drain > Ruin II > (Rouse > Contagion > Ruin > Ruin > Ruin II > Fester > Ruin II) Energy Drain > Ruin spam

I cast Aetherflow before fights start so after my first rotation i have it up again so i can go through my rotation again without having to ruin spam for very long waiting for aetherflow to come back up.

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That rotation is terrible. Why are you casting R2 after Bio with no OGCD after Bio? Why are you using Energy Drain? Why are you randomly casting Virus at the start of a pull?