That's silly. If it's rare, you don't want to worry too much about it. That's called prioritization and strategy. That's like saying, well I'm going to Adlo every ranged in my party vs. Caduceus because they *might* get slimed! No good player thinks like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by nocks
Also, you aren't spamming Embrace every 3 seconds unless you really want over heal. Most late game bosses have distinct animations for high damage attacks. You should be looking at the boss and reacting appropriately, without staring at the health bars.
Placing your fairy is inherently risky because most bosses can throw damage around at range, very quickly. Caduceus splits. ADS has a high DoT damage cross AoE. Titan has the plumes.
Heals that go on the fairy are a horrible waste of efficiency. Much more so than the slight AI advantage you get because you can't pay attention to multiple things at once...
Attention Scholars: Always place your Fairy!
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10-17-2013, 01:51 AMFinagleABagel
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10-17-2013, 01:59 AMnocksI somewhat agree - I find that dodging effects is a pretty iffy manuever as far as my faery is concerned. Most of the time, it seems like I escape the ground effect but she does not, so I'm not sure how effective running with your faery is, and you can always re-place her out of AE if you need to. Also, if your faery's AI is casting embrace, it is by definition not overhealing, since she only embraces targets below 75% health. My biggest concern is that if I get caught in a ground effect, I want my faery to be able to immediately heal me - but if I'm still moving, she can't start casting yet. Either way, we're debating a small difference in healing output, I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by FinagleABagel
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10-17-2013, 03:10 AMFinagleABagel
In general, I agree with most of what you said. If the fairy is caught in a cast animation when you move to dodge an attack, then she likely won't make it. However, the less you move the less this problem will be.
Play with the assumption that you will never be caught in a ground effect, because healers just cannot afford to be screwing up like that.
I, personally, hate the 75% threshold. It's awkward. The fairy heals for 500-600 on a non-crit. A geared Paladin is going to have something like 5,500 HP, a geared warrior 7,400 HP. That puts the threshold at 4125/5550, respectively. You will have to layer a physick on top of that to keep the tank topped or accept a ~900/1300 deficit. On a paladin that means if a WHM cures on top of you that's an overheal. Pretty much the same thing for a scholar.
The fairy should help you spike heal or help keep people topped off. A 75% AI threshold is way too low for this given the fairy's throughput.
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10-17-2013, 03:13 AMshadowrell_d-_-bwrong, the only attack that seriously dmg fairy are direct attacks, boss swipes, and major AOE (and even these rarely do heavy damage to her), I don't know why you think place is dangerous unless your placing her directly in front of the boss (which you shouldn't be doing). I place my fairy in coil (works perfectly) especially caduceus when he splits I focused one tank and had my fairy ACROSS THE ROOM on the other and plumes on titan do nothing to the fairy soo??Quote:
Originally Posted by FinagleABagel
place is there for a reason, micro your fairy place> rouse forget about her if you need her with you heel her, its rare in a fight that anyone but the tank needs the fairy to heal them and requires the fairy at your side!
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10-17-2013, 03:14 AMFinagleABagelYou just aren't right. Enough said. Basically everything after Titan HM will hit the fairy. You aren't on easy mode anymore. You got by from their relatively MASSIVE defense early on. Unfortunately, end game damage is equally massive.Quote:
Originally Posted by shadowrell_d-_-b
Her true potential is *WAY* less than mine. There's just no reason to micro your fairy like that. The AI is awkward, thresholds totally static, and throughput sorta low.
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10-17-2013, 03:44 AMshadowrell_d-_-bwhat are you talking about seriously? none of HM titans moves are life threating to the fairy unless he's directly attacking her, never said she wouldn't be hit (but it doesn't matter as it does minor dmg to her) and please don't tell me about easy mode I didn't get by, downed titan (no carry) and coil turn one with my FC out healed my WHM its called knowing your role!Quote:
Originally Posted by FinagleABagel
and im guessing your tanks on turn 1 were standing very close to each other huh? because everyone knows caduceus doesn't join if they are too close right? -_- and no her range isn't enough she would have to move to heal from across the room as I stated I was in the fight SMH!
you are arguing using something because you don't see a reason to, not because it isn't effective (as trust me it is very effective, if you know what you are doing)
EDIT : AF2 head and body before SCH relic + 1 yea you know exactly how to progress a SCH -_- -
10-17-2013, 03:58 AMFinagleABagel
Oh boy you downed Titan and beat Turn 1. Congrats. Is that supposed to validate your credentials?
Your fairy isn't dying because it's healing itself. That's wasted time and wasted heals. When I play, my fairy is healing a player 100% of the time. She rarely gets hit because I don't place her because I actually manage her rather than place and let the (very bad) AI take over. I showed you why the AI is bad above....that's worth considering if you really want to trust the AI.
No, my tanks weren't standing together - everyone knows not to do that because Caduceus recombines and gets buffed extremely high. Eos range is plenty high, I've beaten Caduceus 4 times - it's not a problem. Your tanks are standing TOO FAR apart.
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10-17-2013, 04:32 AMshadowrell_d-_-b
you don't seem to understand I am not letting the AI control my fairy, you must have thought when I said forget about her i let her run wild! NO my fairy is controlled by me you are doing the same thing I am, difference being my fairy isn't riding my heel the whole fight.
I agree the AI needs help, but im not going to let you tell me complete BS just because you don't see a benefit to placing your fairy! arguing AI isn't proof that place is a waste (just sounds like you are lazy to me)
1. didn't preach credentials, don't tell me I "got by" (I was proving a point)
2. my tanks were exactly where they should be to prevent a party wipe from two caduceus TOO close to each other (you make it seem like you stand completely still in that fight)
3.no way you can argue AF2 gear over relic + 1, you are at coil so you know with coil drops that's not the smart move with the time it takes to farm MYTH.....but hey to each his/her own
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10-17-2013, 04:48 AMshadowrell_d-_-b
so let do AI then!
video proof of pet placement during caduceus fight, pet took minimal damage and I didn't even have to MICRO her in this fight just let her do her placed her twice, out healed the whm 95k by 155k Eos had 60+k heals. srry but you have no real proof that place is wasted.
if Eos had stayed by me she would have just healed any damage I took before healing the tank, whats to point of that?i don't need heals I can dodge the tank stands still why should Eos be by me?
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10-17-2013, 07:10 AMsosowieI'm not understanding what you guys are quibbling about then. As you've so aptly summarized here, one person is advocating placement to prevent delayed casts, while you're saying minimizing movements achieves more or less the same thing. And since you're both advocating micromanaging faerie heals when possible... what's the issue?Quote:
Originally Posted by FinagleABagel