Darklight/ Relic Armor Exchange system?

Back in WoW when they implemented the trade-back system, we had people who would buy something, go to a raid or dungeon, and in the middle of the raid say, "hey guys wait for me just 5 min, I gotta go trade my gear".

So he goes back to the NPC, sell back his gear and rebuy them again to extend the trade-back time limit, and ask a warlock to pull him back to the raid entrance.

With FFXIV where Darklight sets don't have slots nor is there an enchanting system, it is even more tempting to do this just so one doesn't "buy something and immediately get a drop to replace it".

Hence bonded items should never be traded back for its full value.

Unbonded items, definitely. If you haven't used it ever, it's reasonable to accept that you bought it by mistake. It happens. So a tradeback for unbonded gear is great, just like how we could buy back stuff we sold accidentally to a vendor.

I don't feel uncomfortable with throwing away gear after it has served its purpose. There's nothing wrong with that.

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On a related note, when they (WoW) also implemented trading of loot drops for a certain amount of time after getting the drop, it brought out the worst in people again:

• People would NEED even if they had it, just so they can advertise to sell it immediately.
• People would NEED for their friends, so if you're the only PUG you virtually are rolling against more people than you should be.
• People became careless because they know they can make a mistake.

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Originally Posted by Arkista

Now all the darklight gear I spent hours grinding for is going to waste.

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I hate to break it to you, but that's 99% of MMOs at level cap. The only reason you are playing at 50 is to get better gear. When you get better gear, your old gear becomes useless. That's all there is to it, it's the absolute single focus and flaw of all games which are 100% item-based progression at level cap. Did you really expect it to not be useless? The game revolves around grinding a bunch at cap to get stuff, so you can get other stuff.. it'll eventually be worthless. That's the whole idea. :) I'm not sure where the impression that working hard for something means it will be forever relevant, because frankly it won't, and attempting to keep it so will just further handicap those who have started more recently and hurt the game itself (like XI's constant relic upgrades.. it absolutely stifled any weapon/shield upgrades indefinitely. It's a horrid design choice!)

If the system was ever added and it was for gear that wasn't Spirit Bonded then that defeats the entire purpose of the exchange. If I buy a piece of Dark Light or Relic gear and a few weeks down the road, I get a new piece of relic or allagan to replace the gear I have then I would want to exchange the piece I just replaced.

The Exchange system would be pointless for non spirit bonded items only. Yes I understand that people make mistakes. One day I bought 30 Cooking Sherry cause of lag.

ALSO I didn't ask for an Exchange System to be Item for Item. I asked for a System to allow us to exchange our OLD USED gear for a certain percent of the total cost of the item. 20%-45% of the total item cost. I think there should be some grinding in gearing a new job, But a 20%-45% return on items that are no longer of any use would ease up the grind.

If an Exchange system was never Implemented I would be ok with that. I played FFXI for almost 9years and doing Dynamis once a week with no guarantee of any Relic gear I'm perfectly fine with what we have. I would just like the Grinding of gearing to be made a little easier and at the same time be able to do something with my old used gear beside sit in my retainer.

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Originally Posted by Losian

I hate to break it to you, but that's 99% of MMOs at level cap. The only reason you are playing at 50 is to get better gear. When you get better gear, your old gear becomes useless. That's all there is to it, it's the absolute single focus and flaw of all games which are 100% item-based progression at level cap. Did you really expect it to not be useless? The game revolves around grinding a bunch at cap to get stuff, so you can get other stuff.. it'll eventually be worthless. That's the whole idea. :) I'm not sure where the impression that working hard for something means it will be forever relevant, because frankly it won't, and attempting to keep it so will just further handicap those who have started more recently and hurt the game itself (like XI's constant relic upgrades.. it absolutely stifled any weapon/shield upgrades indefinitely. It's a horrid design choice!)

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I'm sorry the only other MMO I played was FFXI for almost 9 years and there was plenty of gear that was old and still viable at level cap 75-99 "Raja's Ring" for example up until recently was still awesome to have. Usually the much harder/grinding gear was still good even as level cap increased.

I never played other MMOs outside of FFXI/XIV so Idk how gear was, But in XI many jobs could use the same piece of gear. FFXIV I can't Share my MNK gear with my DRG,BRD,WAR,PLD and still do my job effectively. But in FFXI I could share the same gear for many jobs example Thaumas I could use it for my BLU,THF,NIN and I didn't have to do NNI to gear each job separately outside of Nares and Phorcys. The thing this game lack is sharing the same gear for multiple jobs.

The system is meant to take the gear we already used and is no longer of any use to us because we have already gotten better gear and then exchange it to help ease up the grind to gear for another job.

So yes I understand that once you get better gear you old gear is Crap, Garbage, Obsolete.

I don't even see how any type of system can "Handicap" a new player or hurt the system, if anything it would help a new player out in gearing up a new job once they can replace DL/Relic.

I would be satisfied with being able to store DL in my inn room...

I too wish there was something to do with the DL gear once you get a replacement for it.

I support this idea of exchanging items.
The grind for this stuff becomes ridiculously tedious and rather annoying. Plus it would also help people who want to play classes like Monk/Dragoon but cannot find a party easily because people want Bard/BLM for 95% of all tome spam runs.

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Originally Posted by Losian

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Problem is that most MMOs had you play one class. WoW technically two specs of the same class, so less gear to manage. Point being that you were gearing one class in those other games. We are every class. Philo tomes are easy to farm, but I would like to exchange my useless DL from my WAR to something my SCH can use. The bigger issue is myth gear. Myth caps make it difficult to gear multiple classes. This is different from other MMOs where you just switch chars and willy nilly farm raids for more gear for that class as well.

We are single class locked on gearing unless super lucky on RNG drops. Which I am not. Ever.

I support this. Really good suggestion. I've been holding on to my DL hoping that SE implements just such a system.

Bump.... Dev Team any more info on this?