Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

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Originally Posted by himehime

It's one thing to argue about rotations, but the class still has its damage limits. reaching the execution ceiling for rotations on a stationary target is easy, which is why judging baseline dps of different classes on a dummy is done. regardless, even with a 100% optimal rotation featuring the highest potency per second on a dummy, i'd have a hard time believing that a DRG can reliably parse 300+ with relic +1 and full DL. (feel free to prove me wrong! it'd make my day.)

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Um... you were proven wrong with multiple screen shots of a parser showing DRG dps over 300 (sometimes way over). Not sure why you're still holding on to your old ideals.

TL;DR get better, breh.

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Originally Posted by GlassjawAeros

Um... you were proven wrong with multiple screen shots of a parser showing DRG dps over 300 (sometimes way over). Not sure why you're still holding on to your old ideals.

TL;DR get better, breh.

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Hmm, besides the parses themselves, which I know to be true, I've dpsed with Longnu many times, and I personally see the amount of dps she puts forth, it is an insane amount. I as a level 50 Monk have very rarely been able to beat her dps, not because I don't know my rotation, but because she simply does a ridiculous amount of dps every fight. I do about 220-270 DPS in full darklight and relic +1(No Allagan or crafted gear) just to give you an idea. These parses are accurate.

The moment I saw "dragoons can't do over 300 DPS" and "dummy" I started laughing so hard I couldn't read tbh, wow.

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Originally Posted by GlassjawAeros

Um... you were proven wrong with multiple screen shots of a parser showing DRG dps over 300 (sometimes way over). Not sure why you're still holding on to your old ideals.

TL;DR get better, breh.

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proven wrong with pictures of inconclusive DPS readings with no context in a party setting? sure~

consider that in party setting, LBs are able to be taken into account, dots/skills from other player's skills can be "stolen", and that certain encounters have ways to inflate your DPS (ie - aoe tons of stuff, watch as your DPS is super high~). expecting an accurate, stable baseline dps from parsing in such a setting is unreasonable, thus the parses showing 300+ are inconclusive. i'm glad you felt inclined to support your friend with your own opinion, but if you can't really grasp my "ideals" of establishing an accurate baseline of drg dps, then you really shouldn't be trying to talk~

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Originally Posted by Shutup

The moment I saw "dragoons can't do over 300 DPS" and "dummy" I started laughing so hard I couldn't read tbh, wow.

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if it's so funny, please tell me why~ i stated that "on a dummy, i'd have a hard time believing that a DRG can reliably parse 300+ with relic +1 and full DL" instead of the words you put in my mouth. so go ahead and parse 300+ stable on a dummy then~

still; if either person can do 300+ dps or anything near it on a dummy solo after 3m-5m of parsing with a working parser (which is, again, a passable standard for setting a baseline dps measurement) then i'll eat my shoe. should be easy if they can parse 370+ in the full duration of an actual boss fight, right~?

frankly, i don't think it can be done by longnu or the other guy, taking player skill, gear and class limitation into account. no amount of "player skill" (in this low skill ceiling game) will let you pass the limitations of class/gear sadly

or maybe there's a secret in longnu's tactic of clipping disembowel/ct at 10s+, reapplying HT with more than 5s on it, using jump while GCD is up, among many other things~ gotta think outside the box maybe?! heh.

i'm looking forward to your replies; please do bring your full FC defense force to supplement your argument, since your player skill in DPS can be called lacking from a brief examination of your titan video, which serves as a better example of the DPS you can output, rather than usage of a faulty parse log as a basis.

Good response, I didn't read it.

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Originally Posted by himehime

since your player skill in DPS can be called lacking from a brief examination of your titan video, which serves as a better example of the DPS you can output, rather than usage of a faulty parse log as a basis.

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This is coming from the guy who utilizes useless theorycrafting with the inability to get as much as 250 DPS in Allagan gear. I know you're a bit hurt, figuring out you're not that good and all, but calm down. You were wrong. Move on.

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Originally Posted by himehime

Your dps in a real setting of 370 doesn't count because it was what you actually did on a boss fight and I only want numbers in a theoretical, and frankly useless situation please.

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So you're saying because the numbers were parsed from a REAL boss fight that they in no way count as a good baseline for what DRGs can do? Instead you only want to rely on theoretical dummy parses? Sounds pretty backwards. I'm sorry that with better gear you can't even fathom reaching those numbers, but that's a player issue obviously.

I can get 270 on bard and I dont even have invigorate or blood for blood yet, And don't have my +1 or a replacement for 1 AK ring. If you can't out dps a bard on Dragoon that's kinda lol. You may want to rethink your rotation, or the speed at which you play.

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Originally Posted by GlassjawAeros

So you're saying because the numbers were parsed from a REAL boss fight that they in no way count as a good baseline for what DRGs can do? Instead you only want to rely on theoretical dummy parses? Sounds pretty backwards. I'm sorry that with better gear you can't even fathom reaching those numbers, but that's a player issue obviously.

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It's also incredibly illogical to base realistic DPS off useless dummy parses. Bards for example cannot even use their execute till 20%.