The Lessons Not Learned.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Here's what I don't get. Every reward in this game has been gear/glamour, mounts or titles. If not, then minions, materia sometimes and chocobo glamours.

What sort of rewards were people expecting? Gear on par with savage?

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I fully expected the rewards to basically be mounts/materia and other miscellaneous stuff, but a part of me was definitely hopeful I could have an alternative form of content to run to gear my alt jobs. I totally get they don't want to hurt the crafting market and I'm all for that.....but I'm also broke and can't afford to buy 610 crafted gear for all the alt jobs I like to play lol.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Here's what I don't get. Every reward in this game has been gear/glamour, mounts or titles. If not, then minions, materia sometimes and chocobo glamours.

What sort of rewards were people expecting? Gear on par with savage?

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Short answer: yes

Criterion Dungeons are on the same level as Savage, if not harder. While a bit subjective, you won't find many amongst the raid community putting P6S ahead of any single fight of the three Criterion bosses. Frankly, the last boss has more going on than P7S. So why are these Savage equivalent fights offering only dime a dozen materia as their rewards? It's like clearing P8S and getting a single Direct Hit X for your efforts. The devs keep putting Savage on this strange pedestal despite having brought it closer to midcore level content. It isn't anything special nowadays. At least not 8-9 weeks into the tier's lifespan. And this is coming from someone who clears week 2, logs extremely high and clears Ultimate. It's okay to have raid gear come from other sources. In fact, it'd be a welcomed addition.

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Originally Posted by ForteNightshade

Short answer: yes

Criterion Dungeons are on the same level as Savage, if not harder. While a bit subjective, you won't find many amongst the raid community putting P6S ahead of any single fight of the three Criterion dungeons. Frankly, the last boss has more going on than P7S. So why are these Savage equivalent fights offering only dime a dozen materia as their rewards? It's like clearing P8S and getting a single Direct Hit X for your efforts. The devs keep putting Savage on this strange pedestal. It isn't anything special nowadays. At least not 8-9 weeks into the tier's lifespan. And this is coming from someone who clears week 2, logs extremely high and clears Ultimate. It's okay to have raid gear come from other sources. In fact, it'd be a welcomed addition.

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Wait, really? o,o they're harder than current savage? Okay yeah I see why people want more out of this xD Ain't nobody gonna farm stuff this hard for the sake of Materia. People generally do Hunt Trains for those.

(edit: ok there's a mount and orchestrion roll, but that's so minimal... The portrait kits being locked behind savage just looks awkward)

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Originally Posted by VelKallor

Didnt look very far did you

https://twinfinite.net/2022/06/best-ps5-jrpgs-play/



https://www.neogaf.com/threads/which...olden.1561633/



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Thats a few of them, there are more but thats a sample.

JRPG is a genre, an MMO is a game TYPE, you can have a JRPG that is also single player aka the Ff series.

FF 14 is a JRPG with multiplayer ELEMENTS..theres a big difference between the two. MMOs can be adapted to ANY genre or type, from Fallout to Albion Online. i remember a phone conference where the idea of an MMO based on running a hotel was raised. Waiters, chefs, all of it.

He was kidding.

I hope. :rolleyes:

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Interesting you chose to only address one half of my post. Speaks miles

Also I meant real sources, such as the actual FF14 wiki or quotes from the dev team (hence why I even included the second example in my post since theyve used that before themselves) or related, not people's opinions on Twitter or top 10 lists from reporters who odds are just Googled random games to make their articles (speaking as someone who used to actually write those lists and get paid for it).

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Wait, really? o,o they're harder than current savage? Okay yeah I see why people want more out of this xD Ain't nobody gonna farm stuff this hard for the sake of Materia. People generally do Hunt Trains for those.

(edit: ok there's a mount and orchestrion roll, but that's so minimal... The portrait kits being locked behind savage just looks awkward)

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the first boss in Criterion has more mechanics the entirety of P7s.

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Originally Posted by IkaraGreydancer

I mean...again 2 sides. All they said was they personally don't see an issue. They don't have to care past that as it doesn't effect them. No real right or wrong there.

And let's say it IS wrong. These negative topics succeed in invalidating the opinions of those who don't have issues with these things. "Don't agree with the negativity? You're a lost cause n not worth talking to". It's a circle of stupidity.

Btw regardless of what's said you're spending most of your time in xiv akin to an rpg. Xiv being an rpg with mmo elements isn't a new take. Many have said this over the years and I can't say they are wrong.

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- You don't need to care about what they say, half the time I don't care past surface level when it comes to things people bring up. Doesn't mean I just read it and go "Oh no this can't be a thing at all because I don't see the same issue." People wouldn't be bringing things up if it wasn't an issue in the first place so like...you don't have to care but don't invalidate someone else at the same time.

- Not sure where the whole lost cause thing came from but if someone else said that then that doesn't represent me or my intentions, personally I just try to explain to people who don't see it why there is an issue and leave it at that/debate if I feel like having a big mouth that day. I'm also extremely blunt with my words so that can come off in a bad way as well. If they really don't want to see it then that's not a me problem at that point and I also tend to not get along well with those people because I prefer people who have open minds and are willing to see both sides of a situation. That's just a personal preference. But I'm not gonna be like: "Nah you're not worth my time, sorry." to people unless they resort to personal attacks.

- XIV's biggest JRPG element to me is the MSQ, that's it. Everything else outside of that isn't. That's my opinion. If others want to say that they think it is, that's cool. Your life, whatever works. Just, I personally have not heard anyone call it a JRPG in my time playing the game, they refer to it as an MMORPG. That's just my experience and maybe it's different for other people.

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Originally Posted by LianaThorne

- You don't need to care about what they say, half the time I don't care past surface level when it comes to things people bring up. Doesn't mean I just read it and go "Oh no this can't be a thing at all because I don't see the same issue." People wouldn't be bringing things up if it wasn't an issue in the first place so like...you don't have to care but don't invalidate someone else at the same time.

- Not sure where the whole lost cause thing came from but if someone else said that then that doesn't represent me or my intentions, personally I just try to explain to people who don't see it why there is an issue and leave it at that/debate if I feel like having a big mouth that day. I'm also extremely blunt with my words so that can come off in a bad way as well. If they really don't want to see it then that's not a me problem at that point and I also tend to not get along well with those people because I prefer people who have open minds and are willing to see both sides of a situation. That's just a personal preference. But I'm not gonna be like: "Nah you're not worth my time, sorry." to people unless they resort to personal attacks.

- XIV's biggest JRPG element to me is the MSQ, that's it. Everything else outside of that isn't. That's my opinion. If others want to say that they think it is, that's cool. Your life, whatever works. Just, I personally have not heard anyone call it a JRPG in my time playing the game, they refer to it as an MMORPG. That's just my experience and maybe it's different for other people.

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Top part goes on the assumption that there IS a problem. Things being brought up doesn't automatically mean there's an issue. That's flawed logic. The only thing it means is that said person has a problem with it. Could they be right? Yes. Could they be wrong? Also yes. For example if someone complained XIV doesn't have enough music would they be correct? I'd say no especially considering the game has the world record for most music in a video game iirc.

I wasn't referring to you saying that. You must not be paying attention to the thread (or have certain folks on ignore lol). Others are doing that. Not you lol

And yeah that makes sense. I wouldn't call it a widespread thing. I wouldn't call it rare either though. Not like that a huge issue really it's just viewpoints ya know?

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Originally Posted by Tint

I am more than fine with that. The relic never was about hard content, there are enough weapons you can get from extremes, savage and ultimate fights.

But... the relic was about grind.

It is simply not okay that I can just buy it with the tomestones I already had with me and be done.

I don't want a free weapon. I want something to do.

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To be fair the first step of relic are always the easiest to get

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For the purpose of this article, a JRPG is defined as a franchise which: (1) is considered a role-playing game by reliable sources and was made in Japan, or (2) made in another country, but otherwise the franchise would be difficult to differentiate from a JRPG due to having common traits found in JRPGs such as: anime/manga character designs, RPG elements, fantasy setting and widely considered as being inspired or influenced by a JRPG.

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This is like...several times a circular definition. Some definitions provided aren't but "a JRPG is... made in another country, but would be difficult to differentiate from a JRPG[...]and widely considered as being inspired or influenced by a JRPG"?

Could have just cut all that down to "an RPG with anime/manga character designs" or designating the difference in "roleplaying" between eastern and western RPGs because I'd argue that's where the key difference between the two are. That writer is pretty funny for instead opting to all but say "A JRPG is something like a JRPG."

To be honest?

Doesnt matter what they do, doesnt matter what they put into the game...you lot will ALWAYS find something to complain about.

Its funny..in a sad, tragic kind of way.

Calling me a "white knight" for praising the game, appreciating their hard work and enjoying myself. GOD FORBID I should do that..........

Sheesh.