Relic Weapon Revival (06/06/2012)

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

270 bills in 1? fivifed among what, 50 people, so you end up with 5-6 yourself

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He is talking about money hating the whole thing. Something only a select few rediculously rich people could do in my day. Hell even if you were rich it was hard to find a shell that wasn't allready "Sponsored".

But of course making billions of gil is effort right?

In that sense you could just pay people to get the seals for you, buy the +1 weapons, Materia, and boss kills.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gambler's_fallacy

Can't win the lotto if you don't play.

Random or not, it'll eventually pay off, quit trolling.

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Originally Posted by Jynx

He is talking about money hating the whole thing. Something only a select few rediculously rich people could do in my day. Hell even if you were rich it was hard to find a shell that wasn't allready "Sponsored".

But of course making billions of gil is effort right?

In that sense you could just pay people to get the seals for you, buy the +1 weapons, Materia, and boss kills.

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Why would you buy +1? They cost more than double the price, yet only give you +4-5% more on the materia meld.

Rather just buy 2 NQs and try my luck that way.

FYI: 1/2 Astrolabe last night. :D <3

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Originally Posted by Jynx

He is talking about money hating the whole thing. Something only a select few rediculously rich people could do in my day. Hell even if you were rich it was hard to find a shell that wasn't allready "Sponsored".

But of course making billions of gil is effort right?

In that sense you could just pay people to get the seals for you, buy the +1 weapons, Materia, and boss kills.

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Yeah i realize that now

hes also comparing dynamis now to dynamis back when the relic was relevent there

the comparison does not work unless you look at dynamis back when you still needed rather large parties to do it.
and money can not be a factor in it cuz it isnt a factor here

you have to do a fair comparison of the facts, otherwise, they arent the same thing anymore and can not be compared.


and yes, 30% could end up in ALL fails for dorps in 100 runs, but guess what, you could also end up on the other end of that and get 100 drops in 100 runs! omg whoever thought that could happen

Premium, stop looking at the negative on everything, ive noticed thats ALL youy do lately, maybe its time for you to take a break from the game cuz i think its getting to you

Faster. more posts about random
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It's really only a waste of time if you never get it.

Glad its really hard to get. This forces it to be rare. Which imo makes it more special. Not everyone can have a trophy, even if they practice hard.

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Originally Posted by Geo

Can't win the lotto if you don't play.

Random or not, it'll eventually pay off, quit trolling.

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Really? So everyone in the world who plays will eventually become a winner in their life? There is after all a Statistical chance to win, doesnt mean you will ever hit the good end of that statistic.

Think ya failed a example a little there.. lol

the point viion is that dynamis was just as much of a RNG as hamlet is. The point is if you don't have a group to pool up the drops to 1 person its going to take a lot of hours to get the seals (150hours is a good estimate). You can't really say that 150hours for a full group of 8ppl to have all 9 seals is unnacceptable can you?

some mathz:
2k dynamis runs => 2-3hours per run (includes gather time/setup etc)
300 hamlet runs => 2 runs per hour
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dynamis is going to take around 4,000hours or more to get a group each a relic
hamlet is going to take 150hours to get a relic
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you pick whats better?

Yes its RNG based but a 30% RNG is going to even out very quickly after 300runs I can guarantee you have 70+seals and could just as easily have 130seals (this gives a good margin for error) since you only need 8(players) x 9(seals) => 72seals total

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

Yeah i realize that now

hes also comparing dynamis now to dynamis back when the relic was relevent there

the comparison does not work unless you look at dynamis back when you still needed rather large parties to do it.
and money can not be a factor in it cuz it isnt a factor here

you have to do a fair comparison of the facts, otherwise, they arent the same thing anymore and can not be compared.

and yes, 30% could end up in ALL fails for dorps in 100 runs, but guess what, you could also end up on the other end of that and get 100 drops in 100 runs! omg whoever thought that could happen

Premium, stop looking at the negative on everything, ive noticed thats ALL youy do lately, maybe its time for you to take a break from the game cuz i think its getting to you

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Oh right because I have been super negative about the 2.0 stuff recently? Stop having a closed eye on one thing.

The comparisons work, I have played XI since 05 and still play today, good 7 years of my life and been through everything. Many friends obtaining relics even multiple. Because they always progressed. Even back in 05, 06 1 person would always get the relic, either by passing the bills to him or him sponsoring (cuse ya know... 1 behemoth hide, or 1 scorpion harness back then paid for a run.... wasn't exactly difficult lol)

My comparison is fair, because the comparison is based on th efact that ALWAYS in dynamis, you would progress. YOU WOULD ALWAYS get something no matter how much qunaitity that is, you always got something and always progressed. It was not random weather you progressed or not.