What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

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Originally Posted by EmoPanther

I'm still trying to figure out how Elidibus even knows we were on Elpis. Unless he was involved in Pandemonium somehow, he shouldn't have any clue that we were there since everyone who did know got mind wiped. Well.. Except for Venat, but she's like, the worst mom and didn't think to tell anyone.

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I wonder who the teased white-robed Ancient was at the end of the story in the previews.

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Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant

For Yoshi P's "Magnum Opus" it felt very out of place with what seems like many last minute changes.

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I’m glad i’m not the only one that felt like there were some last minute changes done lol.

Remember the "mighty" Zodiark wasn't created to fight or be a weapon. It was made to rewrite the natural laws of the world and it did this just by existing. So us beating it at something it was never intended to when it was in severely weakened state isn't that crazy

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

Please stop trying to sound "above it all".

The discussion is over story quality. By definition it's all based on subjective opinions.

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That’s my point. You’re making objective statements about story moments when they are by definition based on subjective feelings. A lot of people liked the story and don’t feel it had “cheap” moments. You disagree. That’s okay. But disparaging the story and claiming it was bad is different from saying, “I didn’t like it.”

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Originally Posted by Pyro2hell3

Remember the "mighty" Zodiark wasn't created to fight or be a weapon. It was made to rewrite the natural laws of the world and it did this just by existing. So us beating it at something it was never intended to when it was in severely weakened state isn't that crazy

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I don't think this holds all that much weight, tbh. It's unknown whether he would've been designed to fight or not (I'd say we can surmise he could) and given the state of the world, one might think he could've been imbued with such an instinct. The more relevant factor is that he is a primal intended to be controlled by someone, i.e. Elidibus, who was absent at the time. His might isn't really in dispute, because Hydaelyn herself concedes that his power was so great that to defeat him she needed to drag the star into it too. Also, Amon was controlling him at the time.

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Originally Posted by EaraGrace

That’s my point. You’re making objective statements about story moments when they are by definition based on subjective feelings. A lot of people liked the story and don’t feel it had “cheap” moments. You disagree. That’s okay. But disparaging the story and claiming it was bad is different from saying, “I didn’t like it.”

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I think it can be inferred if someone is saying a story is bad, they’re saying it from their own perspective. I don’t think we should do leaps to try and frame it as someone trying to state it as such for others.

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Originally Posted by Lauront

I don't think this holds all that much weight, tbh. It's unknown whether he would've been designed to fight or not and given the state of the world, one might think he could've been imbued with such an instinct. The more relevant factor is that he is a primal intended to be controlled by someone, i.e. Elidibus, who was absent at the time. His might isn't really in dispute, because Hydaelyn herself concedes that his power was so great that to defeat him she needed to drag the star into it too. Also, Amon was controlling him at the time.

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Well...no. I think they quite literally stated that the creation of Zodiark was to save their world from The Final Days.
Thats was the point of his Creation. Thats what he was meant to do. He wasn't made to be a Weapon.
Of course he was Powerful, he was a Primal. And there was just simply fear of what he COULD do if left unchecked. So as far as we know, he never got a chance TO be Dangerous.
Until DAMDaniel pulled a Zenos X Shinryu and took control.

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Originally Posted by EaraGrace

That’s my point. You’re making objective statements about story moments when they are by definition based on subjective feelings. A lot of people liked the story and don’t feel it had “cheap” moments. You disagree. That’s okay. But disparaging the story and claiming it was bad is different from saying, “I didn’t like it.”

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Said it better than I could...

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Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Well...no. I think they quite literally stated that the creation of Zodiark was to save their world from The Final Days.
Thats was the point of his Creation. Thats what he was meant to do. He wasn't made to be a Weapon.
Of course he was Powerful, he was a Primal. And there was just simply fear of what he COULD do if left unchecked. So as far as we know, he never got a chance TO be Dangerous.
Until DAMDaniel pulled a Zenos X Shinryu and took control.

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Emet-Selch's own testimony confirmed they fought and fought. She confirms he was so potent that she could not suppress him without dragging the star into it.

If he could do all that without a controller, it stands to reason he was far from incapable of fighting, and given what struck their star, i.e. a weakening of the celestial currents but also out of control creation magicks spawning monstrosities, it would not be illogical to surmise this would include the ability to weaponise his powers. Or on the other hand, it might not have mattered whether his intent covered such a purpose or not, so much as he was able to make flexible use of his powers. Either way, he was demonstrably capable of it.

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Originally Posted by EaraGrace

That’s my point. You’re making objective statements about story moments when they are by definition based on subjective feelings. A lot of people liked the story and don’t feel it had “cheap” moments. You disagree. That’s okay. But disparaging the story and claiming it was bad is different from saying, “I didn’t like it.”

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That doesn't change the fact the story was nonsensical.