Blue Mage: Are you kidding me!?

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Originally Posted by Auryan

If only it were that easy, but no. Most people aren't actually interested in "maining" a new job. They give it a try, see if they like it and stick with it or not and drop it. Every job is designed to appeal to as many people as possible. Which includes people who love the idea of BLU and people who are just bored of their old jobs and want something new to lvl. BLU would be no different if it was designed as a standard job. It's that part that gggcontradicts BLU's learning aspect, because it does need work to get all of its abilities and you can't just rush through it and expect everything to be alright.

It's not so much about spoiling anyone's fun, but making a job accessible to as many as people as possible. That is how they've designed every job to be, and BLU's learning aspect doesn't fit with that philosophy. To you the skill hunting is a fun little side adventure, to others a tedious slog that only BLU has to go through. You're examples pertains to job mechanics and not the competing interests between job identity and philosophy of designing jobs.

If anything, BLU's limitation doubles down on its more core concepts. You know have much more spells to learn than you would have gotten from a standard version. The types of skills learned are now much less likely to be cookie cutter and more likely to be crazy and funny. You also have something that no other job has: a choice in how you set your build.

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if u go play FF11 YOU WOULD KNOW Blue mage always had tht choice over other jobs. Kalise is right if u Don't like to work for power stay the H*** Away from blue mage. Hands down because faming spells what make blue mage fun.. also having the choice of what i want on my bar or say which spells i like over others.Sorry to say this but the jobs in game right now or Bad thy need to change them and let ppl use wat thy want over combos. Mostly looking at mages not melee dps

No ty they need to give us our freedom back idc if we Can't pvp we still should have the right to do all content we Don't really need the duty finder we can do party finder which to me is awesome really but still they need to give us that atless you guys can have pvp that how i see it i'm sure others see it like this too we just want blue magethats all other jobs can go to he** i for one get bored of the combo rotation system its so boring it make the game feel like we repeating the same thing over and over and over again till we kill targets if u play other games u see thm using the same thing blue mage looking like free to cast or use whatever thy want to get the job done also in pvp we can keep ourself alive so we not getting upset with bad healers or having to stay with group just to do anything the pvp raid is really weird we all just running/riding around catching flags w.e forget all of tht wheres the action dangit but i'm getting of tht this is about Blue mage bottom line freedom to play content just like everyone freedom to pick what we want on our Bars freedom to cast what we want thats why we want blue mage over other jobs because there lame as for story i love it but i need my job so i can enjoy it even more that's all.

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Originally Posted by Starcake28

also having the choice of what i want on my bar or say which spells i like over others.Sorry to say this but the jobs in game right now or Bad thy need to change them and let ppl use wat thy want over combos. Mostly looking at mages not melee dps

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You are aware that "builds" are not really a thing in a competitive PVE ? In competitive PVP yes, in PVE the enemy / situation is always the same so only one build survives in the end : the fittest. (Maybe 2 ? after all there are Crit BLM and SS BLM).

In a game where PvP is anecdotal, builds are an illusion of choice because people will just ... go for the most effective. How would I know you might ask ? Otherwise, guides wouldn't exist, rotations wouldn't exist, people wouldn't flock to the Balance discord, etc...at least the ones who care about rising their numbers. And everyone who is a bit serious about it tries to improve his effectiveness. There is a crowd effect, it is the same principle with "The Meta" (only 5% of players really have a need for it, yet 99% of people are looking for a meta comp)

The only time where people will not rush on the most effective built, is indeed with classes like BLUE mage, as they're not allowed in endgame so "competition" doesn't matter and you can have your dream of a full choice in skills, no matter how ineffective it can become.

But please do not ask to redesign other classes and leave them be, they'd either have to put them out of endgame accessibility OR you actually would witness REAL shunning down ("what ? you don't use that specific build ? get out of the team"), which is what they very much feared with BLU. In many MMOs it was the case, and it'll grow even further considering so many people are starting to come here from mobas and importing their toxic mindset, all this combined : you can bet it will happen all the time and it's not just a "strawman".
Ask SAM, BLM at the beginning of a tier, WHM and RDM at the end of one, if they're adored and wanted everywhere. If you introduce discrimination even inside jobs themselves, man we're not out of the pit before a long time.

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Originally Posted by Starcake28

if u go play FF11 YOU WOULD KNOW Blue mage always had tht choice over other jobs. Kalise is right if u Don't like to work for power stay the H*** Away from blue mage. Hands down because faming spells what make blue mage fun.. also having the choice of what i want on my bar or say which spells i like over others.Sorry to say this but the jobs in game right now or Bad thy need to change them and let ppl use wat thy want over combos. Mostly looking at mages not melee dps

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If you don't like combos, play monk or anything ranged. A job isn't bad just because you don't like it.

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Originally Posted by Starcake28

No ty they need to give us our freedom back idc if we Can't pvp we still should have the right to do all content we Don't really need the duty finder we can do party finder which to me is awesome really but still they need to give us that atless you guys can have pvp that how i see it i'm sure others see it like this too we just want blue magethats all other jobs can go to he** i for one get bored of the combo rotation system its so boring it make the game feel like we repeating the same thing over and over and over again till we kill targets if u play other games u see thm using the same thing blue mage looking like free to cast or use whatever thy want to get the job done also in pvp we can keep ourself alive so we not getting upset with bad healers or having to stay with group just to do anything the pvp raid is really weird we all just running/riding around catching flags w.e forget all of tht wheres the action dangit but i'm getting of tht this is about Blue mage bottom line freedom to play content just like everyone freedom to pick what we want on our Bars freedom to cast what we want thats why we want blue mage over other jobs because there lame as for story i love it but i need my job so i can enjoy it even more that's all.

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Maybe don't play this game then?

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Originally Posted by Ceallach

If you don't like combos, play monk or anything ranged. A job isn't bad just because you don't like it.



Maybe don't play this game then?

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If i Could get my money back sure i'll leave i put in over 5k into this game maybe more

But i'm not i'm going to keep posting just like everyone else that's with me on blue mage and there's alot of us that want to main blue mage as a dps some as a tank which i still see as boring because tanks always boring just standing there getting your face beat in with no real damage at all if dps die and Can't be raise rip Queue idc how skilled you are waiting 9 hours for a tank and healer trying to solo a boss or raid boss in this game is super long

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Originally Posted by Karshan

You are aware that "builds" are not really a thing in a competitive PVE ? In competitive PVP yes, in PVE the enemy / situation is always the same so only one build survives in the end : the fittest. (Maybe 2 ? after all there are Crit BLM and SS BLM).

In a game where PvP is anecdotal, builds are an illusion of choice because people will just ... go for the most effective. How would I know you might ask ? Otherwise, guides wouldn't exist, rotations wouldn't exist, people wouldn't flock to the Balance discord, etc...at least the ones who care about rising their numbers. And everyone who is a bit serious about it tries to improve his effectiveness. There is a crowd effect, it is the same principle with "The Meta" (only 5% of players really have a need for it, yet 99% of people are looking for a meta comp)

The only time where people will not rush on the most effective built, is indeed with classes like BLUE mage, as they're not allowed in endgame so "competition" doesn't matter and you can have your dream of a full choice in skills, no matter how ineffective it can become.

But please do not ask to redesign other classes and leave them be, they'd either have to put them out of endgame accessibility OR you actually would witness REAL shunning down ("what ? you don't use that specific build ? get out of the team"), which is what they very much feared with BLU. In many MMOs it was the case, and it'll grow even further considering so many people are starting to come here from mobas and importing their toxic mindset, all this combined : you can bet it will happen all the time and it's not just a "strawman".
Ask SAM, BLM at the beginning of a tier, WHM and RDM at the end of one, if they're adored and wanted everywhere. If you introduce discrimination even inside jobs themselves, man we're not out of the pit before a long time.

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Umm builds are more better thn what we doing right now in this game because numbers is what we need to down things faster F team downing let ppl burn things its more funner when you see all your hard work paying out

Now i'll say this i like how they have SMN setup but i dislike that we don't have every pet avatar water' ice' dark' light' thunder ' that's all i'm disliking about SMN atm if we had all of them i would be more Happy and i could over look blue mage for now even if blue mage is my number one job and thinking abt tht i see alot of ways thy could put blue mage into content which Wouldn't break the game but w.e

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Originally Posted by Starcake28

If i Could get my money back sure i'll leave i put in over 5k into this game maybe more

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Then I would advise that you complain less, especially considering your ideas on how to improve the game.

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Originally Posted by Starcake28

But i'm not i'm going to keep posting just like everyone else that's with me on blue mage and there's alot of us that want to main blue mage as a dps some as a tank which i still see as boring because tanks always boring just standing there getting your face beat in with no real damage at all if dps die and Can't be raise rip Queue idc how skilled you are waiting 9 hours for a tank and healer trying to solo a boss or raid boss in this game is super long

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You are welcome to your opinion.

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Originally Posted by Starcake28

Umm builds are more better thn what we doing right now in this game because numbers is what we need to down things faster F team downing let ppl burn things its more funner when you see all your hard work paying out

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Design your own game and prove it.

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Originally Posted by Starcake28

Now i'll say this i like how they have SMN setup but i dislike that we don't have every pet avatar water' ice' dark' light' thunder ' that's all i'm disliking about SMN atm if we had all of them i would be more Happy and i could over look blue mage for now even if blue mage is my number one job and thinking abt tht i see alot of ways thy could put blue mage into content which Wouldn't break the game but w.e

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Elements don't matter in this game except for Eureka, and we have the magia board for that.

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Originally Posted by Ceallach

Then I would advise that you complain less, especially considering your ideas on how to improve the game.



You are welcome to your opinion.



Design your own game and prove it.



Elements don't matter in this game except for Eureka, and we have the magia board for that.

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You just all talk i see that now also a liar and a troll