I miss the old PvP.

It wasn't that awesome. Alert was limited to two jobs, bard and mch, and it was a pvp ability you had to sink points into. Even then, it still had a long cooldown and a tiny range. The only way to counter NIN stealth was to never leave the home point alone. It was pretty busted, because all the maps were open with no choke points a nin had to go through to give you the chance to tag them with alert or aoe. Add in a limit break that could effectively one shot most jobs, along with silence or stun, and it was pretty cheap.

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Originally Posted by Rufalus

That does sound funny. Since nin job was added I always imagined that scenario of a whole clan of nins suddenly emerging from a puff of smoke and surrounding a guy who thought they were alone; never saw it happen though as I don't do premades. Would be awesome if the person who got gang-stealthed was streaming it.

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https://youtu.be/ZDlbPNQu9wE?t=14s

Forever R.I.P fun pvp.

Why not add the old PVP back as an option? Like, only for frontlines?

Cmonn SE!

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

It was pretty busted, because all the maps were open with no choke points a nin had to go through to give you the chance to tag them with alert or aoe.

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Lace made these maps to highlight the choke points for you. Saying there's none is incorrect.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...88/unknown.png

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...28/unknown.png

Lace knows better than this. You know where ninja used their stealth? Next to the home points, to ambush people. Do you see any choke points there? No. Did Ninja need to use stealth in the map anywhere else? No, because seal rock forced people by the active nodes and you generally attacked en masse anyways. Stealth was used mostly to sneak kills as people returned to the battle, not to go to nodes where alert would have worked. By the time you actually walked up to a node, the battle was joined anyways. They even could use shakuichi to stay well out of alert range and cover a lot of ground to ambush people. But in the cases it was used, it was really hard to counter it because there was no dedicated job to nail ninjas with. No job worked well at disrupting stealth the way it was played.

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Originally Posted by RiyahArp

Lace knows better than this. You know where ninja used their stealth? Next to the home points, to ambush people. Do you see any choke points there? No. Did Ninja need to use stealth in the map anywhere else? No, because seal rock forced people by the active nodes and you generally attacked en masse anyways. Stealth was used mostly to sneak kills as people returned to the battle, not to go to nodes where alert would have worked. By the time you actually walked up to a node, the battle was joined anyways. They even could use shakuichi to stay well out of alert range and cover a lot of ground to ambush people. But in the cases it was used, it was really hard to counter it because there was no dedicated job to nail ninjas with. No job worked well at disrupting stealth the way it was played.

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I used to spam my AoE Miasma / Bliz2 to get sneaky Ninja. I miss seeing them panic after being caught.

FL heros unite

I never tried PvP since the changes, I didn't like the look of them at all.


Today I went to take a stab at the PvP dummy since I wanted at least 1k Wolf Marks and I was surprised by how..... unpleasantly bad Bard played compared to my already-low expectations. I am feeling very, very nostalgic right now and its getting me down because the old PvP could be a really fun time sink and I would love that right now in FF when regular dungeon and raid content just isn't holding my attentions any more.

SE get a Savage pvp mode going, all lvl 70 job cap abitilies. That's what made pvp popular and unique; it's not difficult, ALL the PLAYERBASE learns lvl 70 cap rotations, it's not simplified to 9 buttons.

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Originally Posted by Knahli

I never tried PvP since the changes, I didn't like the look of them at all.


Today I went to take a stab at the PvP dummy since I wanted at least 1k Wolf Marks and I was surprised by how..... unpleasantly bad Bard played compared to my already-low expectations. I am feeling very, very nostalgic right now and its getting me down because the old PvP could be a really fun time sink and I would love that right now in FF when regular dungeon and raid content just isn't holding my attentions any more.

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Whaaat? BRD has burst ready every 15 seconds now compared to the old style of waiting minutes to get an entire burst ready. I've always loved BRD in PvP, I also used to hate 4.x PvP, but it's not as bad as people say it is.