It's about time to add Coil story mode, isn't it ?

What would be the harm in a "story mode" that's not any easier but just doesn't have any loot?

Nobody would be getting any kind of hand out... you just wouldn't be punishing people who have a hard time finding dedicated statics (which is the biggest hurdle here, not difficulty).

This would also allow FCs with established coil statics to help their members learn the fights. Those members could then join other coil PUGs much more easily.

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Originally Posted by Gardes

I thought we're talking about T5? Are you speaking for the people who have not cleared T5 or for yourself?

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Do people actually read OP before blindly bashing about how lazy (or stuff) other people are ?

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

IThe release should be as follow :

=> new raid, normal difficulty and all
=> 3 month after, at next patch, the story mode opens for those who did not manage to win the last part of the raid. Winning a story floor does not allow to enter a "normal" floor after. As an example, T6 story mode would not unlock T7 normal mode but only T7 story mode.

=> 3 month after, new raid. The story mode of the old raid doesn't grant access to the new one. As an example, T9 story mode doesn't grant access to T10 normal mode. You'll have to wait 3 month to get the T10-... in story mode to progress in the story.

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tell me where I specifically said "T5". The story in Coil doesn't start nor finishes in T5.

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Originally Posted by Adamantium

I'm completely serious. It has less to do with skill and more to do with perseverance. The fact of the matter is that the story you want to experience is locked behind content that has already had both developer-implemented nerfs (Echo buff) and natural nerfs (increases in strength of gear). The amount of effort required is ridiculously minuscule compared to what it used to require. If people are not willing to put in effort, they don't get rewards.

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Don't you see how much of a joke your argument is ?

First, both games are totally irrelevant. Someone good at LoL might be the worst FFxiv player you would ever see, or the contrary. You cannot compare 2 games like that ("oh this guy there is good at that game so you suck for not being good at this one"). Second, them being disabled has nothing to do with their skill. Yeah they're good even when disabled. So what ? Am I not allowed to play because I can't achieve their level of skill without being disabled at all ? That sounds stupid. It is stupid.
Finally, you could take any example of players, it would not be relevant.

It all resumes to this :

"Hey this guy can do i, so should you."

No. Hell, I'm sure there is even some deaf people who would beat the crap out of me at musical games even though I have a clear advantage on paper. Does it mean I am lazy for not having their skill ?

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Originally Posted by Vekial

what a joke

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just please don't bother to post if it's purely to troll.

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Originally Posted by Thayos

What would be the harm in a "story mode" that's not any easier but just doesn't have any loot?

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Wasting development time because people are incapable of practicing and learning this fight even with a 20% echo in gear upwards of 20 iLevels over what people had before the nerf. Especially when I ~130 gear will be available in a month.

It's not that hard. I've literally, in the last 2 months, seen a few people try the fight for the very first time and get a win within the week. At some point along the way people just start making excuses for those who aren't trying hard enough.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

that's because the best players tend to gather together. Path of least resistance you said. Gather the best around not to ever bother about the skill of the people you may meet.

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I don't know about her / his LSs, but ours doesn't have any skill / gear / play time / dedication requirements and all members in ours who have wanted to do T5 after the echo patch have gotten the win in a LS group. I have not seen or met a player who I'd believe to be unable to learn and beat the fight in a reasonable time (a few hours split on a few days at tops) in its current condition.

There are many people in this thread that claim the fight as it is, its mechanics, are impossible for some players to handle. Can anyone give examples on the mechanics they find impossible and the issues they encounter with them? Because I seriously have a hard time imagining what is left there to be an obstacle.

I've not read all the thread but wouldn't it be easy just to unlock the cut scenes for people to view at the inn? Can't imagine that would take up much dev time.

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Wasting development time

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There would be extremely little development time, and this would make the content enjoyable (usable) by a much larger number of players.

It would be a very good trade... in fact, kind of the opposite of the current situation, in which far more development time is spent on content that many people are barred from thanks to completion lockouts.

They don't need to change ANYTHING about the fights. Just make it so that if you win, loot doesn't drop.

Boom, story mode complete. Extremely little development time in exchange for HUGE player benefits.

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Originally Posted by Thayos

There would be extremely little development time

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Something you know absolutely NOTHING about. You have literally zero idea what it takes to do what you suggest.

However, I am in the opinion that any time, even 1 minute, is too much time spent on this regardless of how easy it may or may not be.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

If I ever see you complaining one day about the RMT problem, I'll laugh hard. really hard. For your info, a T9 clear with your "solution" is 35 millions. Do you even expect someone to have that ?

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Look I just gave you an option, T5 clear is so easy but some people have problems with it, I understand that. Now with the option I have you, what is harder? farm 700k or get people to clear T5? I know of some people that cam make 1mil+ just SB in 1hr or 2hr. You dont need a RMT to get money just have to be a bit smart, have some priorities and do a bit or research. As for T9 right now we have lockout no echo, we can't spam it like T5 maybe in the future when we dont get lockout the price would drop and could easyly be farmed like T5.

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Something you know absolutely NOTHING about. You have literally zero idea what it takes to do what you suggest.

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I do know it takes far less time when recycling resources, and a story mode could be built upon almost 100 percent recycled resources. All that changes is the end, because loot drops are disabled.

It would be a very worthwhile use of dev time, especially considering the large number of players who could be more involved in this content.

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However, I am in the opinion that any time, even 1 minute, is too much time spent on this regardless of how easy it may or may not be.

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Ah, so it's not me, it's you.

Isn't that a rather illogical stance, considering the devs currently spend far more dev time working on something that only a fraction of the playerbase can do because of completion lockouts? If you really believed in what you're selling, then you would want SOME kind of change to happen in order to make this dev work more worthwhile.

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Originally Posted by Thayos

Ah, so it's not me, it's you.

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I'm simply stating that no argument will ever convince me that this isn't a wasted effort. Especially considering the fact that any fix to this would come in 2.4. The same exact time a whole new tier of even more powerful gear is added to the game making it even more unecessary.

The crazy amount of excuses coming from people who don't try hard enough are the problem here. People don't want to work for anything anymore. It's sad and you should probably go play something else if it's so difficult to put even a little practice time in or alternatively you fail to put enough effort in to make friends to help you. This thread is literally asking for a handout that should be unnecessary. The whole "some players aren't that good" excuse is terrible as well. I've literally seen players beat this fight who normally I wouldn't even want to take into an extreme battle because either their ability to handle mechanics is poor or because they are generally just very poor at their job. It's a giant excuse that holds no water when people in that position have and do complete this fight.

Good luck in the second coil. If you guys think t5 was bad you're in for a rude awakening.