What's the point with that quite lackluster story in Endwalker?

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Originally Posted by CrownySuccubus

Short explanation: Gaia is a sundered Ancient and formerly the Ascian known as Loghrif killed by Ardbert and crew. She has now reincarnated as Ryne's Oracle of Darkness counterpart and best "gal pal".

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Not to mention Eden itself being the Ascian Mitron, Loghrif's lover. Real name: Artemis.

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Originally Posted by Rulakir

Eden is more side content I haven't done, so unfortunately those references are lost on me as well. I hate this direction they've gone where you have to have done raid content to have a full understanding of what's happening in the MSQ. This seems to have started when Ishikawa took over writing?

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Hmm, I'd say finishing the Coils of Bahamut was pretty relevant to the MSQ and that was the very start of the game. Maybe Alexander would be the least relevant directly(?), but Omega was also quite important to the MSQ.

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Originally Posted by CrownySuccubus

I'm not sure how the "time flows differently" rule works, either. Almost a decade had passed between Urianger being pulled into the first and the WOL's arrival

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It was five years from Thancred's arrival and three from Urianger and Y'Shtola's arrival, if I remember correctly.

The First and Source conveniently have a synchronised flow of time for the moment.

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Originally Posted by Rulakir

Definitely not. :P I loved HW, so it's off-putting (to say the least) to see the characters treated this way. *sigh*



Well, in that case the 13th should be beyond hope. One of the points made when treating tempering was that once physical transformation had occurred they couldn't be helped. Plus, if the planet is truly fragmented then there's no star to save anymore either.

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You'd think so, but EW establishes that anything is possible with hope and writing

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Originally Posted by Rulakir

Well, in that case the 13th should be beyond hope. One of the points made when treating tempering was that once physical transformation had occurred they couldn't be helped. Plus, if the planet is truly fragmented then there's no star to save anymore either.

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Considering how quickly we transitioned from being mostly clueless against primals into figuring out a cure for tempering, learning how to bypass corruption of aether from basically all sources, and nipping the primal issue in the bud once and for all by uniting the entire world in an orgy of good vibes, Its only a matter of time until our scions pull a solution out of their ass for this one too lol. Also dynamis is a thing now and can do whatever the plot demands of it, so...

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Originally Posted by Rulakir

Eden is more side content I haven't done, so unfortunately those references are lost on me as well. I hate this direction they've gone where you have to have done raid content to have a full understanding of what's happening in the MSQ. This seems to have started when Ishikawa took over writing?

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The Binding Coils is more important to the story then like 95 percent of the ARR MSQ, lmao.

For my part, I actually mostly enjoyed the 6.1 MSQ and am interested in where it's going, but predictably, I was cracking nonstop jokes in chat about "What? Y'shtola lets a familiar die to further her own interests? Unacceptable. Sunder this cat!" "What? Vrtra wants to eliminate the suffering of the people of Thavnair? Sunder this dragon!" "Huh? Thavnair is encouraging Vrtra to try to restore a past with his sister instead of just accepting it and moving on? Sunder this country!"

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Originally Posted by Brinne

For my part, I actually mostly enjoyed the 6.1 MSQ and am interested in where it's going, but predictably, I was cracking nonstop jokes in chat about "What? Y'shtola lets a familiar die to further her own interests? Unacceptable. Sunder this cat!" "What? Vrtra wants to eliminate the suffering of the people of Thavnair? Sunder this dragon!" "Huh? Thavnair is encouraging Vrtra to try to restore a past with his sister instead of just accepting it and moving on? Sunder this country!"

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What were your thoughts on this BTW?

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Originally Posted by Brinne

For my part, I actually mostly enjoyed the 6.1 MSQ and am interested in where it's going, but predictably, I was cracking nonstop jokes in chat about "What? Y'shtola lets a familiar die to further her own interests? Unacceptable. Sunder this cat!" "What? Vrtra wants to eliminate the suffering of the people of Thavnair? Sunder this dragon!" "Huh? Thavnair is encouraging Vrtra to try to restore a past with his sister instead of just accepting it and moving on? Sunder this country!"

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See, this is what happens when we kill the one thing who has been keeping us in line this whole time. Outrageous abuse of familiars, wanting to minimize suffering, actually mourning the past. For shame. Headed straight for the Plenty, they are.

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Originally Posted by Nilroreo

Considering how quickly we transitioned from being mostly clueless against primals into figuring out a cure for tempering, learning how to bypass corruption of aether from basically all sources, and nipping the primal issue in the bud once and for all by uniting the entire world in an orgy of good vibes, Its only a matter of time until our scions pull a solution out of their ass for this one too lol. Also dynamis is a thing now and can do whatever the plot demands of it, so...

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"Quickly"????? it took nearly ten years of real life storytelling time for that plot point to be resolved.

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Originally Posted by KariTheFox

"Quickly"????? it took nearly ten years of real life storytelling time for that plot point to be resolved.

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More like two, maybe three patches actually. I'm specifically referring to the time period between Alisaie creating Angelo to cure Halric, to the creation of the warding scales.