Power-leveling is absolutely BROKEN

http://share.fantaji.com/pictures/11...1324492578.jpg

I have to deal with this, trying to steal PL camps back so we can actually grind >.>

I am blown away that this is even an issue at all. I have yet to run into it during my play time, I haven't seen anyone being PL'd or even run into this. Now, not saying it doesn't happen, but this isn't something that seems to be an issue anymore from the time I've spend in game.

Just saying.

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Originally Posted by Delmontyb

I am blown away that this is even an issue at all. I have yet to run into it during my play time, I haven't seen anyone being PL'd or even run into this. Now, not saying it doesn't happen, but this isn't something that seems to be an issue anymore from the time I've spend in game.

Just saying.

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Considering you only have one skill around raptor level, that seems to be why.

Just say all you want, you don't know what goes on obviously, and I have a couple people that can agree with me. I'm tired of going to camps to do a grind party, only to be booted out or forced to go somewhere's else because of a PL party.

Interesting.

Well, a screenshot has now been entered into evidence.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

http://share.fantaji.com/pictures/11...1324492578.jpg

I have to deal with this, trying to steal PL camps back so we can actually grind >.>

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It can depict one of two things happening.

a) A PL-party taking on 4 mobs at once, about to steal a fifth, and leaving only one mob for a solo player.

b) A PL-party taking on 6 mobs at once, and a solo player who has stolen two of them.

I could be misinterpreting the screenshot, though. So what is really going on here?

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Originally Posted by Sorel

Interesting.

Well, a screenshot has now been entered into evidence.



It can depict one of two things happening.

a) A PL-party taking on 4 mobs at once, about to steal a fifth, and leaving only one mob for a solo player.

b) A PL-party taking on 6 mobs at once, and a solo player who has stolen two of them.

I could be misinterpreting the screenshot, though. So what is really going on here?

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Lol what? This is me trying to take back a camp from a PL party because my party had to "try" and find another good grind spot.

It's also showing AFK PL going on.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

Lol what? This is me trying to take back a camp from a PL party because my party had to "try" and find another good grind spot.

It's also showing AFK PL going on.

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Can't prove they are afk with a screenshot.

Looks like to me you are trying to harass a group of people leveling by stealing their mobs from them.

Why would you do that? Were you there first? If not you are the one in the wrong.

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Originally Posted by Serdapi

Can't prove they are afk with a screenshot.

Looks like to me you are trying to harass a group of people leveling by stealing their mobs from them.

Why would you do that? Were you there first? If not you are the one in the wrong.

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How am I the one in the wrong when they are exploiting the system with an oust/invite PL party? Stealing their mobs doesn't necessarily make me better but it proves a point that I can't level with a regular party in a good grind spot becuase a PL party has taken over it.

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Originally Posted by Xoo

Expect to see a lot more of it. Less people playing means what's left are A. People with maxed DoW/DoM; B. People who can't find a party because A is true; C. In reference to A, they fill their ingame leisure time with PL groups for their Linkshell.

Let's all race to the... end!

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don't forget d. that's the groups that are actually charging others to power level them. i've seen many shouts for pl parties as different ranges and charging 100k an hour each. you would think that shout was stupid until you see them later on with a full group porting out and they were the only high ranked player......

that doesn't seem so bad to make 600k+ an hour power leveling others...........

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

How am I the one in the wrong when they are exploiting the system with an oust/invite PL party? Stealing their mobs doesn't necessarily make me better but it proves a point that I can't level with a regular party in a good grind spot becuase a PL party has taken over it.

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Happen all the time in selbina some people say it not true because they don't see it so it have to be true that it's not happening. But w/e we have to deal with it too SE end up taking off Powerlevel and just make it so a white mage can heal your party outside your party that the only powerlevel i agree with.

This issue has gotten so out of control that it's become one of four major reasons I've decided not to sub come January 6th.

While many things have been fixed since launch, core issues (like this) are now actually worse.

It saddens and angers me to see that this game is most likely irreparably broken until 2.0 because Yoshi-P is obviously okay with this.

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Originally Posted by Sorel

I could be misinterpreting the screenshot, though. So what is really going on here?

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

Lol what? This is me trying to take back a camp from a PL party because my party had to "try" and find another good grind spot.

It's also showing AFK PL going on.

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Originally Posted by Serdapi

Can't prove they are afk with a screenshot.

Looks like to me you are trying to harass a group of people leveling by stealing their mobs from them.

Why would you do that? Were you there first? If not you are the one in the wrong.

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

How am I the one in the wrong when they are exploiting the system with an oust/invite PL party? Stealing their mobs doesn't necessarily make me better but it proves a point that I can't level with a regular party in a good grind spot becuase a PL party has taken over it.

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Honestly, I was just asking what was actually happening in the screenshot. Now that you've told us (and shown us) we can get right into the usual discussion of what is right and what is wrong ... which seems to be well underway.

But at this point, someone from Faction #2 (how a player gains XP is his own business and as long as it doesn't subtract XP from any other player, it doesn't hurt anyone and should not be restricted. Anyone who wants to restrict it is a Fascist) should submit some evidence that what they suggest is true ... or be in danger of having their position invalidated by the existing evidence.

A screenshot of a Full Party sharing a camp with a PL-Party would be ideal to refute the existing evidence. But other evidence or testimonials are also acceptable, but won't be as strong unless they are significant in number.

Again, I'm trying to keep my bias out, and I hope to encourage a fact-based discussion. Let's see how we do.

Abolish PL, add level sync.

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Originally Posted by ChiefCurrahee

Abolish PL, add level sync.

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I support this.

SE, as a former FFXI player, what kept me in the game for all the years that I did stay, was the challenge. The game forced you to be social and interact with others in order to succeed. Here, all you need is to know one or two other people and you get a free ride to the top...

Power Leveling has got to stop... it's not only ruining the future of the game, it's ruining it for the people that currently play and don't even realize it...

There have been plenty of statements made in this thread that validate why power leveling on this scale is a ticking time bomb...

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level sync should of been in the game since day 1, they designed this game to be solo play ok awesome but now u cant even solo. takes nearly a month just to solo to 50 maybe more i no it took me 2 weeks to solo till 32 ><

Now there isnt any partys i have not seen 1 party shout or even a party on my server this last week just pling. i acully had to pay people to party with me which got me thinking y should i be paying other people my level just so i can level when i can pay a pler and just get it over and done with.

Since SE wont fix this and bring out dam level sync you might as well try and use what we have got. the worst part is i hate being pled i hate not knowing my job and god i hate not being able to meet new people and talking to my party while were exping wtf SE what are u guys going to do about this?

Power leveling needs to go in my opinion.

This is stupid, While your at it make them wear your favorite color. What a player does with there time on the game is there own business and should not be policed by another player. where people get the idea they have any right to police everyone else is beyond me. It is a game with levels, some will get it through quests some grinding, how or how long or how simple they behave to reach there own personal goals is there own business and not for you to decide. This game has requirements that are level based, naturally some people will want to get these benefits fast. What most people fail to realize is that power leveling dosnt take away from the game and the entire idea of stopping power leveling is an insult. the amount of XP it takes to level is set in stone. if it takes X experience to get to lvl Y, then how a player reaches it is to each his own. Trying to stop power lvling is like ordering all players to stop soloing content. Just enjoy the game, accept that everyone has a right to play the game.

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Originally Posted by ChiefCurrahee

Abolish PL, add level sync.

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God damnit stop necrobumping dead threads. Get over yourself already.

Mods kill this thread already, please?

NB: Are the forums always like this? It' absolutely retarded. Wish i'd never joined.

/logout

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Originally Posted by ssppiikkeeyy

level sync should of been in the game since day 1, they designed this game to be solo play ok awesome but now u cant even solo. takes nearly a month just to solo to 50 maybe more i no it took me 2 weeks to solo till 32 ><

Now there isnt any partys i have not seen 1 party shout or even a party on my server this last week just pling. i acully had to pay people to party with me which got me thinking y should i be paying other people my level just so i can level when i can pay a pler and just get it over and done with.

Since SE wont fix this and bring out dam level sync you might as well try and use what we have got. the worst part is i hate being pled i hate not knowing my job and god i hate not being able to meet new people and talking to my party while were exping wtf SE what are u guys going to do about this?

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This could be more evidence of power-leveling hindering regular party playability. However it isn't irrefutable evidence unless you can provide screenshots and/or date, time, timezone, and server. The last part is important because SE has the means of actually checking the data logs to see actually what was happening and the context in which it was happening. At that point it stops becoming subjective opinion, and starts becoming empirical fact.

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Originally Posted by Sorel

This could be more evidence of power-leveling hindering regular party playability. However it isn't irrefutable evidence unless you can provide screenshots and/or date, time, timezone, and server. The last part is important because SE has the means of actually checking the data logs to see actually what was happening and the context in which it was happening. At that point it stops becoming subjective opinion, and starts becoming empirical fact.

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Do you think fraps videos of how PL mechanics are effecting the game bring something not yet known by the dev team? I can make those videos and post them here, part of the player base would say "yeah so what" the other part would say "this needs to get abolished stat!"
So it comes down to the devs. Yoshi said he himself thinks PL is fine, because the higher rank player is taking his time to level the lower player.
What I wonder is did they think the system would be abused in such a way? I don't think they thought that far ahead when they made the system.

I think the best those of us that are ANTI-PL can hope for is further revisions to the claim system once ver 2.0 arrives.

Someone nuke this thread from orbit please.

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Originally Posted by BlackomegaKingofwaffles

Someone nuke this thread from orbit please.

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You do realize you help keeping this thread alive by repeatedly telling people to stop posting here?

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

You do realize you help keeping this thread alive by repeatedly telling people to stop posting here?

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never gonna give you up...

The Devs need to address this properly. PL makes lv 1-40 pointless. At this rate they should just start everyone off with a lv 40 character.

I'm actually happy this thread is still going. The last attempted fix for PLing was highly deficient.

We need a system that only gives you XP if you directly engage in battle in some way.

I was just looking at how some of the Japanese topics take one topic and continue to post / append post.

It seems like the power levelers that I've come across while in a full party couldn't be reasoned with to share or find another spot either. As crazy as it might seem to necro bump a topic that's a month old, it really does beat creating a whole new topic about an ongoing concern.

There is anecdotal evidence that the current power-leveling mechanism for gaining XP is detrimental to the Light & Full Party mechanisms for gaining XP. Producer/Director Yoshida can achieve the same effect that he wants, without the negative effect to Light & Full parties, by simply implementing a Level Sync system.

As long as gaining XP via power-leveling remains the most time effective means of gaining XP, systems like Light Party bonus, Full Party Bonus, even the party search system ... are pointless.

My question to Producer/Director Yoshida is, "Why build a system of balanced XP-gaining mechanisms, then allow another mechanism to completely bypass that same system?"

Personally, it just doesn't make sense to me.

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Originally Posted by AndySolace

God damnit stop necrobumping dead threads. Get over yourself already.

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Jesus you hate people playing together that much? lol.

I know a surefire way to get this thread nuked!

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Originally Posted by Treach

I know a surefire way to get this thread nuked!

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Please do it.

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Originally Posted by Sorel

There is anecdotal evidence that the current power-leveling mechanism for gaining XP is detrimental to the Light & Full Party mechanisms for gaining XP. Producer/Director Yoshida can achieve the same effect that he wants, without the negative effect to Light & Full parties, by simply implementing a Level Sync system.

As long as gaining XP via power-leveling remains the most time effective means of gaining XP, systems like Light Party bonus, Full Party Bonus, even the party search system ... are pointless.

My question to Producer/Director Yoshida is, "Why build a system of balanced XP-gaining mechanisms, then allow another mechanism to completely bypass that same system?"

Personally, it just doesn't make sense to me.

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I'm actually happy this thread is still going. The last attempted fix for PLing was highly deficient.

We need a system that only gives you XP if you directly engage in battle in some way.

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I very much agree with Sorel and Kiote here. I understand the current claiming system but it bypasses the entire balance of character progression as well. I've made suggestions to how the current claiming system could remain as I do like the claiming system. I just don't like how the rewards can be exploited.

I also prefer that old threads be necrobumped rather than new threads be made. As the game changes old concepts deserve to be looked at again since the context they can be used in has changed and is worthy of discussion.

A surefire way to get this thread nuked would be to have a group of posters strategically derail the topic while prodding posters into making personal attacks. As long as there are enough people willing to have a civilized discussion on the topic at hand then detractors will just get censored from the thread rather than it being nuked outright.

Also, blatant non constructive necrobumping will get it nuked as well. If you're going to necrobump a thread make sure that the response is thorough enough to be considered legitimate.

I dislike powerleveling and I would prefer to not be involved in it although I have to admit I have both given and received it.

I would like to be able to help my friends level without actually powerleveling them or switching to a class I dislike.

Also, I would rather necrobump threads than start new ones.

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Originally Posted by Treach

I know a surefire way to get this thread nuked!

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I'm waiting.

I'm not getting banned for it, someone else can post porn.

I SUPPORT POWER LEVELING.

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Originally Posted by Treach

I'm not getting banned for it, someone else can post porn.

I SUPPORT POWER LEVELING.

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How long will we be banned?

72 hours according to a friend, forums only though, can still play ffxiv if you have stuff to do in it.

Bah, I can't live without the forums for that long.

Thing is, you can still browse while banned, all it does it stop you from posting.

But, I love posting things completely irrelevant to the topic. :(

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Originally Posted by Yelta_Sumasu

I dislike powerleveling and I would prefer to not be involved in it although I have to admit I have both given and received it.

I would like to be able to help my friends level without actually powerleveling them or switching to a class I dislike.

Also, I would rather necrobump threads than start new ones.

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I have no Problem with Power Leveling. In fact, I think it is a great way to help friends and Linkshell Members through tough parts of the game..

I have a problem with FFXIV Power Leveling.

There is no excuse for an Entire party standing around afk while a High Level character kills things for them. That is unacceptable. At least in every other game that has Power Leveling, the user being power leveled has to take an active role in the game. In most game the power leveler can only heal the person being power leveled or at the very least must do less over all damage to the target.