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Assuming you mean the Warriors of Light mentioned at the end, remember Elidibus has done this before. He convinced the First's Warriors to attack us, and now it'd almost be easy to set up a "Warriors of Light against Warriors of Darkness" fight just by the fact that, in the first, we *are* the Warriors of Darkness.

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

Assuming you mean the Warriors of Light mentioned at the end, remember Elidibus has done this before. He convinced the First's Warriors to attack us, and now it'd almost be easy to set up a "Warriors of Light against Warriors of Darkness" fight just by the fact that, in the first, we *are* the Warriors of Darkness.

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It's not a spicy plan, given that ardbert's group(back in HW) was built up only to fizzle inside of a patch.

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

He convinced the First's Warriors to attack us, and now it'd almost be easy to set up a "Warriors of Light against Warriors of Darkness" fight just by the fact that, in the first, we *are* the Warriors of Darkness.

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How does he plan to convince them that "The Warriors of Darkness are evil and you need to stop them" though? They're going to commit Sudoku in order to Shard-travel, only to spend literally 5 seconds talking to anyone on the First to realize that the Warrior of Darkness did an overwhelming amount of good for this realm? Like sure, I imagine he can convince them that they need to come stop the Warrior of Darkness, but once they're here and see what's going on? They'd have to be overwhelmingly stupid Warriors of Light to continue acting as the distraction Elidibus wants... This poor little orphan boy was going to turn into a monster, until the Warrior of Darkness saved him and the realm! "We need to stop this menace!"

Not that I'd complain, bring it on Elidibus. Your plan has one massive backfire ready to prime in it and it's really rather funny. Bring all the Shards remaining Warriors of Light to face me, I'm fresh off the high of rejoining with the Firsts Warrior of Light, please do bring me the rest... That does make me sound rather villainous, I'll admit, shame Elidibus should have no clue that that's what happened, because "The Warrior of Darkness is eating other Shards Warriors of Light to grow stronger!" would be an amazing justification for a WoL/WoD showdown...

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Originally Posted by Nalien

They're going to commit Sudoku

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They're absolutely going to commit sudoku

Honestly I'm expecting the "Warriors of Light" are actually a back-up plan they've had for the First that was always going to be activated if the initial plan went off track. I'm also expecting them to, while not looking exactly like them, to match up to Ardbert and co's Warriors of Light.

Each one will not be Lightwarden level but will have the Touch, and what will make them a true threat is that each time they are killed their Light is redestributed to the rest. After two are killed we'll start getting the Everlasting Light again in whatever region all three are in, and when the last one is alive it'll take over all of Novrandt once more alongside the threat of whoever kills it taking in all that Light.

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Originally Posted by Nalien

How does he plan to convince them that "The Warriors of Darkness are evil and you need to stop them" though? They're going to commit Sudoku in order to Shard-travel, only to spend literally 5 seconds talking to anyone on the First to realize that the Warrior of Darkness did an overwhelming amount of good for this realm? Like sure, I imagine he can convince them that they need to come stop the Warrior of Darkness, but once they're here and see what's going on? They'd have to be overwhelmingly stupid Warriors of Light to continue acting as the distraction Elidibus wants... This poor little orphan boy was going to turn into a monster, until the Warrior of Darkness saved him and the realm! "We need to stop this menace!"

Not that I'd complain, bring it on Elidibus. Your plan has one massive backfire ready to prime in it and it's really rather funny. Bring all the Shards remaining Warriors of Light to face me, I'm fresh off the high of rejoining with the Firsts Warrior of Light, please do bring me the rest... That does make me sound rather villainous, I'll admit, shame Elidibus should have no clue that that's what happened, because "The Warrior of Darkness is eating other Shards Warriors of Light to grow stronger!" would be an amazing justification for a WoL/WoD showdown...

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Well I already listed the reasons why they may attack WoL and the Scions.

As dumb as they sound that is not far from the reality of things when it comes to how certain people will treat the Hero that saved the World. Especially when Governments basically consider a Hero with great powers as a unlimited use Weapon of Mass destruction.


There is a certain saying I have for people who choose to be "Heroes"....

"You maybe expected to save the world but don't expect the world to save you from itself."

A common lesson those who choose to be Heroes often learn the hard way once they save the world only to be betrayed by the people they saved because of their own fears or political reasons.

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Originally Posted by Ilenya

Assuming you mean the Warriors of Light mentioned at the end, remember Elidibus has done this before. He convinced the First's Warriors to attack us, and now it'd almost be easy to set up a "Warriors of Light against Warriors of Darkness" fight just by the fact that, in the first, we *are* the Warriors of Darkness.

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And his plan should fall apart as soon as they met us or talk to some NPCs. We did not attack Ardberts group or fight them to the death just because they were called the Warriors of Darkness. It was the conflict they brought that made us go against them but even then it only turned out bad when they tried to kill us. So it would mean that he somehow brings over WoLs from other shards, tell them some lies, they completely believe those lies, attack us on sight and never try to take it in on their own. That should only be happening once and afterwards those WoLs should notice that we are beloved, that we helped the people.

So I do wonder on where he gets them and why they should even follow him (it cant be another shard that needs to be rejoinied soon because they can only do one at a time).

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Originally Posted by EdwinLi

Well I already listed the reasons why they may attack WoL and the Scions.

As dumb as they sound that is not far from the reality of things when it comes to how certain people will treat the Hero that saved the World. Especially when Governments basically consider a Hero with great powers as a unlimited use Weapon of Mass destruction.

A common lesson those who choose to be Heroes often learn the hard way once they save the world only to be betrayed by the people they saved because of their own fears or political reasons.

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The problem with those reasons are that all those leaders stay strongly behind our backs and dont consider us a danger. Heck it was our whole deeds that even gave the people hope in the bad future. We are also not at that point were we are that powerful that nobody could defeat us thus that fear should also not be there. There is also nobody right now shown in the story that hates us so much that we should not be allowed to live a normal life. We have been shown to constantly do good things even after dealing with bad guys and other than having to kill some of our enemies we are truly just a good person. There is nothing in the story right now that hints that any of those people we helped would want to turn on us.

A lot of the points also feel like they are for people that live on the source but see the WoL in a different light but we are talking about other WoLs from other shards. And we do know that you only get to be a WoL if you are doing good things. So maybe for a short amount of time they might think about us as bad people because of us being called the WoD but again that should be a short lived reason if they at least for one second listen to the people around them which are all thankful for our deeds (at least on the shard but that is also the only place we are called a WoD anyway)

The only way I can really see Elidibus succeeding in getting some Warriors of Light after us, is if he just straight up repeats the same plot as with Ardberts group, which is also why I can't see it happening... Are we really going to retread the same story beats, just with a Flood of Darkness threatening another world instead of a Flood of Light? That's the only way I can see Elidibus convincing anyone; "Yeah, there are these Warriors of Darkness on the First who are totally to blame for your worlds suffering!"

Anything short of that, and I can't even imagine the other Warriors of Light agreeing to the Sudoku-Shard travel methodology... Even with that I can't see these other Warriors being at odds with us for long... Can't we just point them in the direction of the Shadowkeeper in order to highlight how painfully obvious it is that Elidibus is just using them? No matter how I try to picture it, we're just repeating the same plot points, which just seems off...

No, if Elidibus is going to keep us busy facing off Warriors of Light, they need to be dumb and/or easy to manipulate, which leaves only a couple of possibilities in my mind; Virtues, and Primals. We've already had Warriors of Light reanimated as Sin Eaters though, so lets just rule that out and instead look at the idea of someone summoning the ancient Warriors of Light from the First... Rather handily, the only group we've actually annoyed on the First, also happens to have a nice mural of such ancient Warriors of Light kicking around their hideout...

Eden spoilers, but we've literally already had an example of someone attacking us on sight just because of where we were and what we were doing. A simple enough lie to someone gullible enough to believe it could easily force things, if only long enough for there to be complications with us doing things elsewhere, especially if a world that'd been set up so that "Darkness = Bad" is automatically assumed.

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Originally Posted by Alleo

The problem with those reasons are that all those leaders stay strongly behind our backs and dont consider us a danger. Heck it was our whole deeds that even gave the people hope in the bad future. We are also not at that point were we are that powerful that nobody could defeat us thus that fear should also not be there. There is also nobody right now shown in the story that hates us so much that we should not be allowed to live a normal life. We have been shown to constantly do good things even after dealing with bad guys and other than having to kill some of our enemies we are truly just a good person. There is nothing in the story right now that hints that any of those people we helped would want to turn on us.

A lot of the points also feel like they are for people that live on the source but see the WoL in a different light but we are talking about other WoLs from other shards. And we do know that you only get to be a WoL if you are doing good things. So maybe for a short amount of time they might think about us as bad people because of us being called the WoD but again that should be a short lived reason if they at least for one second listen to the people around them which are all thankful for our deeds (at least on the shard but that is also the only place we are called a WoD anyway)

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That is rather funny thing about the story...

We are ONLY shown the people who think Positively about us and our actions when it comes to Saving the world and those that disagree are only been shown as the Antagonist and eventually get killed by WoL.

But none or very few of those who may question us or simple act like they have positive opinions about us but secretly have strong fear and thus only act positvely out of fear to stay on WoL's good side.