What does everyone think about those AST buffs?

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Originally Posted by GideonHighmourn

Fey Illumination is a perfectly viable argument in comparing potential potency increases, as it's a tool in the SCH toolkit the same as Synastry is for AST. The only difference is that it excludes Fey Wind (which isn't nearly as good as people think).

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Right if you use Eos during an entire fight. For a personal heal potency increase, synastry is still better because of the 90cd only (matter of shield only, that's why I don't speak about Embrace). The only utility to use Eos during a fight is for better aoe healing/heal potency/better adlo for longer cleric stance during heal check in my opinion. But this is another subject.

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Originally Posted by GideonHighmourn

In fact, you even tried to make A Benefic seem significantly better than Adloquium, when you suggested that it's actually 50% more potent when you add Synastry, [...]

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No. A benefic isn't 50% more poten than Adlo, have you seen my post page 27? The additionnal 30% is from A benefic direct heal (Example : A. Benefic direct heal 1800 (+20% with synastry), shield = 1800 (+20%) +30% )

Sorry I don't understand where I'm wrong there.

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Originally Posted by Khyan

No. A benefic isn't 50% more poten than Adlo, have you seen my post page 27? The additionnal 30% is from A benefic direct heal (Example : A. Benefic direct heal 1800, shield = 1800+30% (+50% with synastry) )

Sorry I don't understand where I'm wrong there.

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Yes, I did. Your study is fine, but you seem to be touting AST's A Benefic as being superior (by a significant amount), when you respond to this:

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Originally Posted by SenzorialBoundries

30% more than adlo while having access to cure 2 and cards.

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With this:

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Originally Posted by Khyan

You can add an additionnal 20% with synastry on.

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As if the previous statement is correct, which it is not.

AST's A. Benefic is 4 potency better (at most) than Adloquium on non-crits, which is minimal. After SCH reaches around 800 crit, the gap widens so significantly, that A Benefic will be lagging far behind (on average).

A. Benefic is not better than Adloquium; it's equivalent and balanced, given the tool kits both healers have.

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Originally Posted by GideonHighmourn

Yes, I did. Your study is fine, but you seem to be touting AST's A Benefic as being superior (by a significant amount), when you respond to this:



With this:



As if the previous statement is correct, which it is not.

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I had to understand what I wanted to see on SenzorialBoundries's post, sorry. It's 8:12 PM there after all. I think it's time to sleep.

The potency is minimal but the shield is not, that's what A. Benefic differs from Adloquium in my opinion. Adlo (non crit) direct heal more but protects less than A. Benefic. it compensates with a better shield on A. benefic I guess.

aspected benefic potency (noct) 262.5......... 341.25 shield = 603.75
Adloq potency 300 ..... 300 shield =600.

(aspected benefic shield-adloq shield)/adloq shield x 100 = 13.75% more shielded

there is a 13.75% better shield. But adloq cures for more up front.
(adloq - aspected benefect)/aspected x 100= 14.3% more up front cure on the sch
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people keep throwing out the 30% in a misleading way.

EDIT-> just for the funsies i'll throw a fairy heal in to the mix, i do macro fairy moves
after all (I play both jobs)

lets say fairy is 170 potency. 2.5/3.0 (player cast over pet cast) x 170 = 141.66 extra up front cure per GCD.
I'm going out of my way to make this as a small contribution as possible. fairy is about 200 potency.

300 + 141.66 potency (adloq + embrace) ..... 300 shield = 741.66 total potency.

ASt would still have 13.75% more shield, but counting fairy sch would have
((adloq+embrace)-abenefic)/abenefic x100 = 68.25% more up front heal.

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Originally Posted by Volsung

aspected benefic potency (noct) 262.5......... 341.25 shield = 603.75
Adloq potency 300 ..... 300 shield =600.

(aspected benefic shield-adloq shield)/adloq shield x 100 = 13.75% more shielded

there is a 13.75% better shield. But adloq cures for more up front.
(adloq - aspected benefect)/aspected x 100= 14.3% more up front cure on the sch
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people keep throwing out the 30% in a misleading way.

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except that the real utility of Adloquium is the shield for mitigate damage. I don't really care of the 14,3% more front cure from adloquium personally. Adlo has to be critical for better damage mitigation than A. Benefic.

That's why, in my opinion, A. Benefic > Adloquium (non-crit)

But of course it's just one skill. Nothing that can make AST better than WHM/SCH but maybe "on par", even if I still think SCH/WHM combo is better.