SP nerfed. We were lied to.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

I never knew of the existence of that failing method until yesterday when one of you mentioned it and behest was the most efficient sp/hour gain so it was obviously the one I focused on. Why do anything else that doesn't give as much SP? It would have been dumb.

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Again read my other post :/

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Originally Posted by Rinsui

Mommymommy,
the other kid took my toys away.

Grow up. They can do with this game, your account,
and all your characters what they want, and when they want.

I think an "adjustment" to the leveling speed was absolutely adequate.
And if he "lied" (which he didn't, that's only the way you chose to interprete his words),
this at least spared us the forum drama before the patch.

It's hard enough to stand the drama after.

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It's cool if you are OK with him lying. That's your choice. I feel the least they could provide us with is honesty.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

And there's a LOT of other things to do when you don't have leves.



And that's the main problem. You're assuming that since they rebalanced YOUR PERSONAL favourite way of ranking up, they nerfed all progression, which is indeed largely false.



The fact that the SP is slower FOR YOU, because you refuse to consider anything else than your precious behest, is indeed no evidence at all that ranking in general has been nerfed. As quite a lot of people were nice enough to try and educate you on.

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Are you suggesting that Kensei is the exception to the rule?

Wrong. Even I am having trouble with the SP right now. Half the playerbase doesn't like the current SP generation option.

1.19 had better come fast, so we can see these changes in their full context instead of half-assed.

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Originally Posted by CatchaFire420

People need to be spoon fed:

From main page:

"Up until now, guildleves have been positioned as the heart of gameplay in FINAL FANTASY XIV. Going forward, however, guildleves will be reborn as solo-oriented content that can be enjoyed with minimal time and fuss. The changes will take place beginning with 1.18, and are scheduled to continue in future patches....

And Behest:

[dev1069] The following changes have been made to behests:

- Skill points are now awarded upon behest completion.
- Bonus points will be awarded for early completion.
- Gil rewards for behest completion have been reduced.
- Gil/Skill point bonuses will be awarded to those who complete behests in areas where there have been no participants for several cycles, or where operations have repeatedly ended in failure.


Like I said it is up to people to use their heads, and figure out how to maximize SP in many different ways, I never liked the one-trick pony anyways....

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How is nerfing the SP in leves considered "encouraging for solo play"? As I see it, it just DRIVES away the solo players for the most part, because they can't justify wasting three hours on leves for an amount of SP that is less than what it was pre-patch.

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Originally Posted by CatchaFire420

People need to be spoon fed:

From main page:

"Up until now, guildleves have been positioned as the heart of gameplay in FINAL FANTASY XIV. Going forward, however, guildleves will be reborn as solo-oriented content that can be enjoyed with minimal time and fuss. The changes will take place beginning with 1.18, and are scheduled to continue in future patches....

And Behest:

[dev1069] The following changes have been made to behests:

- Skill points are now awarded upon behest completion.
- Bonus points will be awarded for early completion.
- Gil rewards for behest completion have been reduced.
- Gil/Skill point bonuses will be awarded to those who complete behests in areas where there have been no participants for several cycles, or where operations have repeatedly ended in failure.


Like I said it is up to people to use their heads, and figure out how to maximize SP in many different ways, I never liked the one-trick pony anyways....

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DING DING DIGGGADY DONG! WE HAVE A WINNER! I think I said this 50 gazillion times!

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Originally Posted by Kensei

For the last time (read carefully), Behest was the most efficient way of ranking up, that's why it was the main one I used. As such it was the standard of peak SP gain. The only way Yoshi would have kept his word would have been adding or enhancing the other ways to gain SP so that they would provide the same amount of SP/hour post-patch that Behest used to provide pre-patch.

None of the ways added or changed post-patch provide anything close to the amount of SP/hour Behest gave. And so he lied. I can't possibly explain it any simpler than that.

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And you know how, mister level 36?

You don't even have a clue how ranking up really is in FFXIV, You're not even halfway through it to be precise.

Behest has never been the most efficent way to level up. Leve linking with a static party of 4 was. The problem before was that most people were left with downtimes and massively repeatitive behest between leve periods, Now there's a lot more to do to rank up.

The fact that YOU level up slower because you refuse to try anything else doesn't mean that everyone does.

Besides, if you don't understand why behests have been limited, you have no idea of what makes a quality game. Encouraging players to do the same thing over and over isn't exactly the peak of game development.

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Originally Posted by Abriael

That's why you might want to try doing something ELSE than behest, considering that there are a TON of ways of ranking, and encouraging people to mindlessly do the same thing over and over for hours on end isn't exactly the true definition of quality game development.

Your equation Nerfing behest = nerfing ranking up simply doesn't hold water.

You're the one that refuses doing anything else, hence you're the one that's nerfing his own progression.



Because it is. Actually, considering all the new ways to rank up, it's improved.

removing focus from behest =\= nerfing ranking up.

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There can be a million new ways to gain SP now. If none of them provide as much sp/hour as behest did (which they don't) then ranking up = nerfed. So simple to understand.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

There can be a million new ways to gain SP now. If none of them provide as much sp/hour as behest did (which they don't) then ranking up = nerfed. So simple to understand.

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I don't even need to repeat this. It's simple mathematics.

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Originally Posted by SilvertearRen

Are you suggesting that Kensei is the exception to the rule?

Wrong. Even I am having trouble with the SP right now. Half the playerbase doesn't like the current SP generation option.

1.19 had better come fast, so we can see these changes in their full context instead of half-assed.

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So now did you talk to "half the playerbase?" Did they give you lieu to talk for them?

If you're having trouble with SP right now, you're doing it wrong, exactly like Kensei. Guess what? Many already said that they don't have such trouble.

It's quite evident that if some manage and some don't, some are doing it right and some are simply doing it wrong.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

stop being such a negative nannygoat

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I'm negative for pointing out the facts? Then ignore this thread and tell yourself you can rank up as fast before if it makes you happy.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

Is it slower to gain SP now than it was pre-patch?

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No.

Maybe for you, since you cant exploit anymore.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

Does this mean that ranking up is now slower?

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No.

Maybe for you, since you cant exploit anymore.

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Originally Posted by Kensei

Then ranking up was nerfed and Yoshi said it wouldn't that's the bottom line.

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No.

Read the Producers Letter again. Regular SP'ing is still the same and also with a little improvement. And since you never did it a regular way.. how do think you know anything about it?

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Originally Posted by Kensei

Can I go and do other stuff for a fraction of the SP I could get pre-patch? Sure. But that's not the point of the thread.

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Sure it is.

You said SE lied to us. Obviously SE didnt, since regular SP-Parties didnt get "nerfed". Stop talking about things you never did, obviously dont want to do, and prolly never will be, since the Game will going towards this direction more in the Future.

Kthxbye