SMN - Why it is not a very interesting job and not a good upgrade from ACN

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Originally Posted by Kevee

No.

Never use Ifrit after 40.

Ever.

For any reason, except solo farming lower-level mobs(so it's easier to group them as Garuda would pull one out of the pack).

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ifrit is better at clearing dungeon trash till you get too the boss then just summon garuda,but his higher dps on all attacks and his auto attacks focus down a target faster then garuda can.
That's what i got from my experience so far.

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Originally Posted by LostCody

ifrit is better at clearing dungeon trash till you get too the boss then just summon garuda,but his higher dps on all attacks and his auto attacks focus down a target faster then garuda can.
That's what i got from my experience so far.

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Ifrit does less DPS than Garuda.

Note: This post isn't directed at you, I just don't want to type and post it again. So don't take it as being an ass to you.

Note2: Remember, the parser is 100% accurate for the pets. Everything is in the combat log, and no DoTs.

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Originally Posted by Kevee

There is no situation, ever, in which you should use Ifrit over Garuda. Did you even look at the link?

I just went and updated my parses for them since I got some gear upgrades.

http://i.imgur.com/F8BZkKF.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/F8BZkKF.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/UTBNuye.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/UTBNuye.jpg


Ifrit does less DPS than Garuda and offers nothing.

Period. If ranged need to stack in melee, PLACE GARUDA IN MELEE. Not like there's really a fight that needs that, and Egi's take reduced AoE damage anyways.

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Originally Posted by Kevee

Ifrit does less DPS than Garuda.

Note: This post isn't directed at you, I just don't want to type and post it again. So don't take it as being an ass to you.

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how long was that test going on for?
i have not done any solid testing of my own but i assume with ifrits higher base on all spells and his auto that he would make up the difference or go past it when the 45 second downtime between contagions is up.
post note2:note.no dots,no contagion??so your telling me in just a straight up slugging match garuda beats ifrit even thu he has higher potency spells and auto attacks between them?
how is that possible?not trying to be a prick but seriously explain that too me haha

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Originally Posted by LostCody

how long was that test going on for?
i have not done any solid testing of my own but i assume with ifrits higher base on all spells and his auto that he would make up the difference or go past it when the 45 second downtime between contagions is up.

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Garuda - 82 minutes
Ifrit - 74 minutes

I have updated parses I haven't posted of both going over 2 hours and showing the same results.


For whatever reason(and do note, Ifrit DOES scale off of Int), Ifrits 120 potency attack is hitting for ~60 less than Garuda's 100 potency.

My guess? Ifrit scales off of the physical damage on books, Garuda scales off the magical damage.

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Originally Posted by LostCody

post note2:note.no dots,no contagion??so your telling me in just a straight up slugging match garuda beats ifrit even thu he has higher potency spells and auto attacks between them?
how is that possible?not trying to be a prick but seriously explain that too me haha

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Yes, it was just them on OBEY on the dummy.


As I said in the above post, it's either bugged or Ifrit scales off the physical damage on the book, while Garuda scales off the(much higher) magical damage on the book.

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Originally Posted by Kevee

If you've ever played a MNK, not really.

And SMN is involved in watching timers and planning animations.

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Currently playing a monk and I personally disagree with you.

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Originally Posted by Kevee

Yes, it was just them on OBEY on the dummy.


As I said in the above post, it's either bugged or Ifrit scales off the physical damage on the book, while Garuda scales off the(much higher) magical damage on the book.

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Ifrit-egi is sort of bugged which explains his lower dps. Someone tested this and came to this conclusion (which I realized is true as well)

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/117...=1#post5912814

Basically, skills not going off as they should is what makes Ifrit the lesser dps pet.

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Originally Posted by shinros

Exactly I wanted a summoner someone that commands and deals their main damage through pets.

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Exactly.

SMN is fun. My main frustration with this job is when i die, because i lost a significant amount of time to stand up, re-summon, use food, cast Aetherflow then start the rotation again.

Well, first, you shouldn't die =P

But if it was raid damage that killed you instead of standing in stuff, you should be able to just, Aetherflow -> Swiftcast -> summon.

You're out for like 5 seconds at most.

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Originally Posted by Kikosho

Ifrit-egi is sort of bugged which explains his lower dps. Someone tested this and came to this conclusion (which I realized is true as well)

http://www.bluegartr.com/threads/117...=1#post5912814

Basically, skills not going off as they should is what makes Ifrit the lesser dps pet.

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Yeah, I just went and tested what was in that post.

There is a delay, but it's not always a full second.

It's never instant, though.

Even if it were going off instant, it'd only be a ~5-10% increase over Garuda, and that's nothing compared to Contagion use. :/


Alhough once parsers are finally working, we will have to parse it out because Ifrit will mean we keep our spell speed passive buff up more.