Dragoons: A Rotation Reborn

I dislike dragoons because I'm secretly jealous of how neat their visuals look.

I wanted to play a monk as my third class but monk visuals are really boring =/

EDIT: also apparently they are the most popular class, so its easy to hate on the popularity.

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Originally Posted by Casterbridge

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Again this is what I'm seeing as popular opinion, doesn't mean a dragoon can't go in and do well in Coil.

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I've done coil turn 4 twice now as Dragoon. Popular opinion is nothing but hogwash. Most people get a retarted idea in their head and stick with it despite not knowing how things actually work or basing their idea on an imperfect parse.

Like any raid it can be a pain for melee but it's perfectly learnable and you can stay close to best dps with ranged as you learn the encounters and little tricks to make the fight eaiser. Coil is more abuot player skill than class comp, other than paladins due to damage intake.

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Originally Posted by Casterbridge

Most believe a monk has better single target damage than dragoon

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If you have one Bard in your party, your Disembowel buff will increase his damage by 15-20% which will already be slightly more than the difference between DRG & MNK dps since BRD dps is easier to maintain. If your party has 2 or more BRDs, then it becomes no contest.

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

I dislike dragoons because I'm secretly jealous of how neat their visuals look.

I wanted to play a monk as my third class but monk visuals are really boring =/

EDIT: also apparently they are the most popular class, so its easy to hate on the popularity.

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Sippin' on that haterade. Just give in.

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Originally Posted by Bossmoney

If you have one Bard in your party, your Disembowel buff will increase his damage by 15-20% which will already be slightly more than the difference between DRG & MNK dps since BRD dps is easier to maintain. If your party has 2 or more BRDs, then it becomes no contest.

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consider that 20% of a bards damage will typically come from DoTs, and that disembowel doesn't affect the DoT effect they have. it's probably a bit lower than 10% tbh - but BRDs do end up doing more dmg than DRG when disembowel is kept up (i do something like 255~ on FFXIV app, 265-270~ on logrep. a BRD with less gear than me on a dummy with disembowel up did 265-275ish (difference between our parses) with FFXIV app, 270 on logrep

Bards gain roughly 7% total DPS with 100% disembowel uptime.

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Originally Posted by Shinn91

this thread doesnt matter at all.
no grp is happy with a drg in coil

/sad shinn

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I've had the opposite experience, I'm consistently top dmg in my coil group, including turn 4 with all the AoE. (That surprised me more than anything.) Dragoons are a very strong job all around.

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Originally Posted by Casterbridge

Most believe a monk has better single target damage than dragoon (not saying this is true or untrue just stating popular opinion I've seen) also the monk has slightly better usable utility.

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This couldn't be further from the truth. DRG is by far the best single target DPS uninterrupted. What lowers their DPS is the clunky endgame mechanics where you have to constantly dodge. Monks make up for it by the utility they provide to the raid. My group runs 2x DRG just for the insane damage output we can put out in coil. Also DRG utility shouldn't really even be considered 'utility' but 'synergy'. They synergize well with bards because of the obvious debuff they provide.

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Originally Posted by LongNu

This couldn't be further from the truth. DRG is by far the best single target DPS uninterrupted. What lowers their DPS is the clunky endgame mechanics where you have to constantly dodge. Monks make up for it by the utility they provide to the raid. My group runs 2x DRG just for the insane damage output we can put out in coil. Also DRG utility shouldn't really even be considered 'utility' but 'synergy'. They synergize well with bards because of the obvious debuff they provide.

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post video/log where you parse higher than mnk/smn uninterrupted over 240s or more, if you're so convinced~

(before you call out the parser on being faulty, you can calculate smn dps with napkin math and underestimate it, and it'd still smash drg dps lol)

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Originally Posted by himehime

you can calculate smn dps with napkin math and underestimate it, and it'd still smash drg dps lol

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I'd be very interested to see this. Feel free to post the napkin math, I'm not familiar with the optimal summoner rotation/priority.