Parsing unfair but okay?

While the game has enrages, they are not as tight as you're letting on.

You can clear savage technically with grey/green damage.

You can kill ultimate just being mediocre (that means basic understanding just hitting buttons on CD. Jobs are even easier now, so as long as you have burst every 2 minutes you'll be ok. You can read the TP and get a basic understanding.

Problem is, in HW it was EXTREMELY don't ask don't tell. Now you literally have PFs that actually tell you it's a parse and enforce 90 to 95+ (that's 2 strikes btw)

I'm on average in the purple to orange range (blue with no gear at all in late tier, obviously)

Parsing is 100% hindering the experience of the game. Even worse if you're a console player. Devs know they are at a disadvantage. Clearing and doing good damage isn't enough.

FFlogs needs to go away, tbh. Parse is fine. FFlogs is not.

Like its against tos. Plain and simple. The reason why SE doesn't necessarily go after you is privacy, as in, they won't look into your account to find it.

But making a post of PF that you're parsing? Mentioning that you have it in the chat box? You can get suspended for it as its against tos.

Discord required? Same thing (requiring discord is ableist, btw).

What's unfair is expecting others to carry people that simply aren't up to the task through content. Learning is fine, but there comes a time where you need to excuse yourself from a group if you know you are dragging it down. It's the moral thing to do.

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Originally Posted by millktea

Problem is, in HW it was EXTREMELY don't ask don't tell. Now you literally have PFs that actually tell you it's a parse and enforce 90 to 95+ (that's 2 strikes btw)

Parsing is 100% hindering the experience of the game.

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I would see this as a problem if it was how all groups were. But in my experience log groups are a tiny fraction of PF and the rest are just normal groups that don't even glance at logs or care. The log groups are just doing their own thing in the corner and want to chase high ranks for fun because they cleared the tier and there's nothing else to raid for. There's no reason to suspend them, they aren't invading practice groups and harassing people. Let them be and join the normal groups.

Statics too, there are some that demand logs because their group is performance focused and many that don't care. Join the ones that don't care.

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Originally Posted by millktea

While the game has enrages, they are not as tight as you're letting on.

You can clear savage technically with grey/green damage.

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Depends on weekly, but grey/green on 1st/2nd week Savage raid clears isn't happening, you won't even beat 2nd/3rd floor.

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Originally Posted by millktea

Problem is, in HW it was EXTREMELY don't ask don't tell. Now you literally have PFs that actually tell you it's a parse and enforce 90 to 95+ (that's 2 strikes btw)

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90-95 isn't hard to do with plenty of effort, saying "you have real life" is a pathetic excuse, it's only RNG on 99-100.

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Originally Posted by millktea

I'm on average in the purple to orange range (blue with no gear at all in late tier, obviously)

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Sir, if you're going to claim, at least don't hide your background. I am a 95-99 parsing player.

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Originally Posted by millktea

Parsing is 100% hindering the experience of the game. Even worse if you're a console player. Devs know they are at a disadvantage. Clearing and doing good damage isn't enough.

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My tank partner plays PS5 and operates 95-99 logs no issue, it's the player not the system, there is no way to shut off parses, SE learned the hard way.

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Originally Posted by millktea

needs to go away, tbh. Parse is fine. FFlogs is not.

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FFlogs exist to measure with other players, optimise performance in raids, speed run, etc, etc.

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Like its against tos. Plain and simple. The reason why SE doesn't necessarily go after you is privacy, as in, they won't look into your account to find it.

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They don't go after it because it's not their property, nor is the code. They cannot look into players PCs "BE-CAUSE it's against countries human rights laws".

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Originally Posted by millktea

But making a post of PF that you're parsing? Mentioning that you have it in the chat box? You can get suspended for it as its against tos.

Discord required? Same thing (requiring discord is ableist, btw).

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Why are you so uptight with this? Seriously, your complaints are mute and will never happen in your life time and further. Classic MMO times, people used Ventrillo, Teamspeak for voice chats on PC. They're not asking you to talk on Discord, they're asking you to be on voice so you can listen in, voice talking strategies are 3x faster than typing it all.

The only reason FFLogs bothers me is because it's generating a permanent performance record you cannot escape from as long you're partying with people running parsers, and players can/will aggressively judge you even in parties that don't explicitly state that they're checking your logs and what not. Hiding your logs is not a solution and tends to just make you subject to even more scrutiny.

I am happy doing enough DPS to clear and not be a liability; researching my job on the Balance discord and practicing my rotation until it's firmly ingrained in my memory, but I live in constant concern of running into closet elitists who expect more then is actually needed and the simple notion that the website enables this kind of behavior in the first place is irksome. And yes, I have been wordlessly kicked from reclear groups and blacklisted for reasons I can only assume to be DPS related (This was before the party had even finished filling so it was painfully obvious they were screening people).

FFLogs likely could've avoided abusive use by making it so anyone who is not registered on the website or is choosing to hide their logs basically doesn't exist and simply shows as "anonymous" in any parses involving them. The entire reason I even learned the website existed in the first place was because of someone telling me my FFLogs parses sucked (Which was pretty stupid considering I had like...one death-laden secondhand parse actually logged for the fight I was being criticized on which was a door boss).

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Originally Posted by Gyson

I think the thing people should be focusing on is that the original poster is having a difficult time finding a static because other players are expecting them to provide parser logs showing their performance.

Let's pretend third-party parse tools just didn't work in this game, and so they simply weren't something our community could use. Can we all agree that would remove the current hurdle the original poster is facing?

So, for this player, essentially a third party tool is creating a barrier for access. Isn't that the whole problem with parsing tools the developers wanted to avoid?

A static group requiring parse logs is a long way away from using a parser to harmlessly monitor your own performance for the purpose of self-improvement.

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It's the nature of MMOs that groups that want a certain type of player will always have some way to filter. For groups like this if it wasn't logs it'd be "please upload a video of you clearing this fight, so we can see if you know your rotation" or checking people's lodestones for gear/achievements. Getting rid of parsing would just kill off a lot of the raid scene (considering how many people literally only login after getting their gear just to try and improve their own numbers for fun since they don't have anything else to do after that) while not actually doing anything to remove barriers to entry.

That said I've literally seen a pf listing requiring certain DPS like twice in 6 years of playing, and statics have the right by definition to filter applicants based on what they are looking for

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Originally Posted by millktea

(requiring discord is ableist, btw).

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P-Pardon...?

When did they add a Necro job in game? This thread was dead for a month and a half. Leave it. I realize it's the perfect thread to bring up to troll people in, but geez.

I'd also much rather be measured objectively by someone than someone guessing whether people are good or not.