Male Viera as a playable character! show your support

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Yes, and? How many of those likes do you think will actually play male viera, or eventually female hrothgar? Even if every single like DID, 2k is NOTHING. Besides I highly doubt the devs actually read the English subforums, frankly.

Am I not allowed to give my opinion on a public forum anymore? If people don't want to see my opinions, they can blacklist me.

Also, I have included male hrothgar in every single one of my posts on this subject, it isn't just about hairstyles for female viera.

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Of course you should be able to give your opinion. People have the right to have different opinions, and even though I disagree with yours, I totally respect it and support you to have it and express it.

I do agree that it's a bummer that female Viera and male Hrothgar haven't gotten any more hairstyle options (and it's especially disheartening that Hrothgar have to use a fantasia just to switch hairstyles).

However, I think the dev team made the right decision by prioritizing male Viera and female Hrothgar. I say this even as someone who definitely plans on playing male Viera (I've been hoping for them since the concept art was revealed back in Heavensward).

And yes, while most players will not stick with male Viera or female Hrothgar, it will be greatly appreciated from those who do to have them playable.

EDIT: Responding to your other post, I don't think female Hrothgar and male Viera will be super unpopular. I think there will be a good-sized population of both, just like how male Hrothgar and female Viera ended up. Even though male Hrothgar didn't turn out to be as popular as female Viera, they did end up having a fairly good-sized population (on some servers, Hrothgar outnumber both male Roegadyn and male Elezen).

While I do think female Hrothgar won't be as popular as female Viera, much less so female Au Ra and female Miqo'te, they'll definitely offer an option for players who like bestial races. Personally, I'm not a fan of bestial races, but I totally am on board with more variety. Female Au Ra and female Miqo'te will continue to dominate the population, of course, but it will nice to see female Hrothgar around too.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Yes, and? How many of those likes do you think will actually play male viera, or eventually female hrothgar? Even if every single like DID, 2k is NOTHING. Besides I highly doubt the devs actually read the English subforums, frankly.

Am I not allowed to give my opinion on a public forum anymore? If people don't want to see my opinions, they can blacklist me.

Also, I have included male hrothgar in every single one of my posts on this subject, it isn't just about hairstyles for female viera.

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Frankly, i think its not about giving your opinion its about how you articulate it. The issue with hair, while annoying, i think is quite minor in the grand scheme of things. I hope that they are sorted out in the future, but realistcally i think the issue isnt as big as it is often stated. I appreciate its important to some people, and i truly hope the fix is there in the future. But, i dont think its something thats easy to do.

If I recall, and i havent gone back to check, you were one of those who were very vocallyagainst the addition of the missing genders and i acknowledge that thats a fair and reasonable stance to take. But there was clear demand for them, from the threads on here, twitter to every live letter or square event having the chat flooded with la hee and add male viera / Female Hrothgar.

While 2000 likes isn't a large number compared to the playerbase. It is still a measure, and unless it counts the other sections of the community is still a large number of players showing interest and clear Demand. That is before we factor in those who simply replied with their support but didnt given a like. I Personally feel its a very erroneous approach to call it "nothing." Even if it was just one player asking, its still valid eedback to give and request. The devs listen, that much i am certain of, they listen and they do what they can. There are ample examples of this. Of course i was one those who wanted male viera and female hrothgar added so my stance is somewhat biased. That said, given a scale of value vs dev time, Male viera vs Additional hairstyle fixes, Male viera would always be arguably the choice they would make. It was an opportunity to drive excitement in ways that annoucing a "fix" i dont think would. Thats my take on it.

All hope isnt lost though, as Yoshi P mentioned in an interview that he was aware and they were looking at where they could allocate the resource to fix. He did reiterate, as was annouced when the SHB races were revealed, that all hair would not be available. They have been very upfront about it.

we don‘t know anything for sure yet, but im quite positive about female viera and male hrothgar getting some new hairstyles with 6.0.
while they are working on the opposite genders, i’m rather positive they will have some time in between to work on some hairstyles for both races. i‘m pretty sure we‘ll hear something about them with the next live letters coming.
just remember, yoshi p just a few months ago made it seem like the opposite genders are definitely not happening in the near future and surprise, surprise they did it and it caught everybody off guard. the recent german interview just gives me very positive feelings about it.

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Originally Posted by Hunky

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My question is, if they are so tight for resources.. As in, they apparently have issues allocating resources for hairstyles. Why male viera now? Why also promise female hrothgar? For years they have been saying how difficult it is to include the missing genders (equivalent of another full race), they just up and do it! ON TOP of Covid! What happened to their future graphical update?

Believe it or not, I have supported male viera AND female hrothgar's inclusion FOR YEARS, but with a caveat - I think they should have added them WHEN THEY WERE READY. It feels like they are cutting corners to me, and they sound like they barely have any resources to do what we even have now. Reading the interview where they are apparently just in the planning stages FOR HAIRS for viera (did they even mention hrothgar?), is disheartening, demoralizing. I was sure oh we will get something for EW, surely! No.

Now I'm no dev, apparently they think they are ready, and that's enough for most people, but the way they make it sound over there in interviews.. Where they also apparently can't even include further battle content, because the team is so stretched thin.. It sounds like dire straits to me.

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Originally Posted by Hunky

EDIT: Responding to your other post, I don't think female Hrothgar and male Viera will be super unpopular. I think there will be a good-sized population of both, just like how male Hrothgar and female Viera ended up. Even though male Hrothgar didn't turn out to be as popular as female Viera, they did end up having a fairly good-sized population (on some servers, Hrothgar outnumber both male Roegadyn and male Elezen).

While I do think female Hrothgar won't be as popular as female Viera, much less so female Au Ra and female Miqo'te, they'll definitely offer an option for players who like bestial races. Personally, I'm not a fan of bestial races, but I totally am on board with more variety. Female Au Ra and female Miqo'te will continue to dominate the population, of course, but it will nice to see female Hrothgar around too.

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I don't disagree. I think male viera specifically, will be fairly popular. Have said so many times. I just personally don't think female hrothgar are worth the investment yet, to be frank. If they come out looking like Roe we can probably expect them to be about as popular as a femroe, and I am just not sure that would be worth it, right now.

Alot of fanfare for what amounts to a flavor of the month. Shame these resources weren't spent on making the game better. Although I guess the Twitter goblins got what they want.

Generally speaking, I just want the game to end up having a major competitor at some point in the future. Healthy competition has a sturdy track record of allowing businesses to mysteriously overcome 'limitations' based around resources.

I don't necessarily agree with how the development team have chosen to allocate many resources over the years but it is what it is. I'm already finding myself in a similar position to where I stood back when I started to get weary of WoW. FFXIV isn't quite to the same levels of disappointing just yet but I'd be lying if I said I wasn't crossing my fingers for the likes of Blue Protocol, Ashes of Creation and Pantheon to do well so there's more choice and competition on the MMO market.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Yes, and? How many of those likes do you think will actually play male viera, or eventually female hrothgar? Even if every single like DID, 2k is NOTHING. Besides I highly doubt the devs actually read the English subforums, frankly.

Am I not allowed to give my opinion on a public forum anymore? If people don't want to see my opinions, they can blacklist me.

Also, I have included male hrothgar in every single one of my posts on this subject, it isn't just about hairstyles for female viera.

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You asked who cares. I answered. I'll say it again, it's not bad to care about hairstyles. But deliberately coming into the male Viera thread to raise a stink because we got males instead of hairstyles is... well at the very least it comes across as deliberately combative. Heck, among the very same people here we want male Viera AND hairstyles, it's not one or the other. Hairstyles were confirmed, they're coming, at some point.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

My question is, if they are so tight for resources.. As in, they apparently have issues allocating resources for hairstyles. Why male viera now? Why also promise female hrothgar? For years they have been saying how difficult it is to include the missing genders (equivalent of another full race), they just up and do it! ON TOP of Covid! What happened to their future graphical update?

Believe it or not, I have supported male viera AND female hrothgar's inclusion FOR YEARS, but with a caveat - I think they should have added them WHEN THEY WERE READY. It feels like they are cutting corners to me, and they sound like they barely have any resources to do what we even have now. Reading the interview where they are apparently just in the planning stages FOR HAIRS for viera (did they even mention hrothgar?), is disheartening, demoralizing. I was sure oh we will get something for EW, surely! No.

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Why now? I can't answer that. As someone who is completely unfamiliar with dev cycles and how video game graphics work, I would have no clue.

But I can guess as to why they did. They saw that many players want male Viera.

As Anvaire pointed out, players all over the world asked for male Viera. From the official and non-official forums, to various social media platforms.

I do see your point about cutting corners, and I also see people's point when they refer to Viera and Hrothgar as "limited races".

Again, I'm no expert but I do remember the devs saying that, due to the nature of their features, it's really difficult to adapt currently existing hairstyles to the Viera and Hrothgar. I can imagine it being especially difficult for Hrothgar, seeing as they are totally bestial and have very different head shapes.

I would think that right now, they want to make the missing genders playable so that people who want them can finally have them, even with a limited set of hairstyle options.

I can tell you that I definitely appreciate the inclusion of male Viera, even while knowing that they won't have access to the other hairstyles. Just to have them makes me extremely satisfied, and I know it'll be even better once they make the other hairstyles available. But for now, I'm happy to see them and I'm sure many who plan on playing male Viera also feel that way. And I'm sure a lot of players who want female Hrothgar will feel that too.

And as Anvaire mentioned, hairstyles are somewhat minor in the grand scheme of things, especially when compared to making the missing genders playable.

But I would say don't lose faith. More hairstyles will definitely become available.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I'm sorry, BUT WHO CARES if viera and hrothgar were gender locked?! Like seriously. Viera were chosen over femhroth initially, and put on the backburner for male viera BECAUSE it's a big female furry race, that only a small niche will actually play, in my opinion.

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People who wish to play their proffered gender with those racial features care.
Also, Viera female and males are first to be completed in both cases of them being added for the clear fact that Viera are "pretty humans with bunny ears" and Hrothgar are expressive furries with CC options and face shapes that no other race has. Logically it's harder to make an expressive 3D rendition of a furry that fits the FF14 aesthetic than to make or understand an attractive, reserved human with rabbit ears. Not saying anything is easy about adding new races, but it's easier to make something that looks human than to make something that doesn't-but-kinda-does-and-is-animal.

As for play rates, the popularity of Female Hrothgar depends wholly on how the devs choose to design them ... simple as that. (Regardless of how many people asked for Male Viera I'm sure most wouldn't play them if they had Hank Hill's body)
Make them "tall Mithra" and they would likely be fairly popular if that's what the devs want from them, but make them "Femroe with furry heads" and I agree that they would struggle to pass 3 digits, which is why I don't think the devs would waste their time doing that when this is their 1 chance to make something for people who like furry women as they draw in fans from Western MMOs (that's the whole point of Hrothgar BTW. They're not added to service fans like Viera were, they are cited as being added for game health. They were made to make the game more appealing to people who play WoW and ESO as fantasy furry races were something those Western MMOs have that this one lacked. Having these choices is actually important on the macro scale).

Yo hank hill with bunny ears would be fire. Dad bod bun bun. Still not as good as a manlet or small chubby bun bun.

He sells ceruleum and ceruleum accessories.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Yes, and? How many of those likes do you think will actually play male viera, or eventually female hrothgar? Even if every single like DID, 2k is NOTHING. Besides I highly doubt the devs actually read the English subforums, frankly.

Am I not allowed to give my opinion on a public forum anymore? If people don't want to see my opinions, they can blacklist me.

Also, I have included male hrothgar in every single one of my posts on this subject, it isn't just about hairstyles for female viera.

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dont care lol we won you lost deal with it

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

dont care lol we won you lost deal with it

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We all lost.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

We all lost.

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not me, i got what i wanted

non-scuffed male race, and it's not pedo bait either like i know a significant amount of people wanted too

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

We all lost.

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Truer words have never been spoken.

Look what they did to my boy:

https://i.imgur.com/KcMNFZm.png

It's 99¢ Store Emet-Selch!

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Originally Posted by grinkdaboy

dont care lol we won you lost deal with it

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LUL your side really only won until they start to complain about the lack of new hair options and or lack of helmets.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Truer words have never been spoken.

Look what they did to my boy:

https://i.imgur.com/KcMNFZm.png

It's 99¢ Store Emet-Selch!

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Thats....one hairstyle and Face Option.
Is that one look how you view all Male Viera?
Lol

Imagine being so pressed over devs listening to the player base and giving them want they want even after saying it will be very hard to implement. I fully support hair and hats customisation for Viera and hrothgar but adding the missing sexes is more important to me personally. I find it shocking that they added 2 new races in this state anyway. Both are fundamentally different from one another, they should have stuck with one race, add both sexes and then add the other race afterwards. Not this half baked version we got in the end. Male Viera is a big win and honestly, good for everyone who wanted it. I'll definitely enjoy it.

Viera and Hrothgar shouldn't have been released if they were going to be such resource drains. We could've got so much more actual content.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

Viera and Hrothgar shouldn't have been released if they were going to be such resource drains. We could've got so much more actual content.

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Thats a take I can actually accept. If you want to add a race, do it right or don't do it at all.

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Originally Posted by Awha

LUL your side really only won until they start to complain about the lack of new hair options and or lack of helmets.

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i actually really like the hairstyles i've seen thus far, and i typically don't wear headgear myself, but what things i do wear will likely be usable (blu mask, sunglasses, etc

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

Truer words have never been spoken.

Look what they did to my boy:

https://i.imgur.com/KcMNFZm.png

It's 99¢ Store Emet-Selch!

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and he looks good and wont have horrid hunched elezen body like emet

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Originally Posted by WhiteArchmage

From the hairstyles we've seen, the braided one is veeeery pretty, I wish we could see it from other angles.

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Very pretty indeed! I'm fairly certain it's what I'll be using for my Viera once I can make him. The other options are going to have to be pretty good to beat it.

i love the ones we got so far. just seeing them i was in awe.
https://media.tenor.com/images/e6d4c...f03f/tenor.gif
i personally will go for a more „jungle boi“ look (similar to the first viera shown in the reveal trailer). while i think they can look very handsome, i‘d like to create my main how i‘d imagine him just stepping outside the wood and joining the outside world.

i‘d also like to see more hairstyles on the shorter side or something along the lines of Caius Ballad, which imo would fit the males pretty well!
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/bd/04/5b/b...al-fantasy.jpg


OR to show their savage, assassin side something along this would be NEAT!
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/64/32...0d95da892c.jpg

Looking for something like this; they can't all be unisex hair. Even male Miqo'te has short hair like this and they're the most effeminate of the males.
https://i.imgur.com/fiGHg8J.png

Wished we got the benchmark right now. I will probably not play them for long, but I do want to play with the character creator.

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Originally Posted by Laerune

Wished we got the benchmark right now. I will probably not play them for long, but I do want to play with the character creator.

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yeah can‘t wait for it! sometimes i wish there was something similar to wow‘s prepatch, so we could play the new jobs and the races earlier, just so i could lvl up the new job (not in a hurry) and go with the story as soon as it arrives. this is a rather difficult decision for me, do i progress the story with my friends and lvl my scholar or fall for the new job, which i think looks amazing!

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Originally Posted by Awha

LUL your side really only won until they start to complain about the lack of new hair options and or lack of helmets.

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There isn't any 'sides' here, we are just players who want something and express our opinions and feedback in the forums. It isn't a war.

We expressed our dissapointment with genderlocked races and male viera not being present, the devs listened, responded, surprised us and released them.

You are expressing your dissapointment over 'no new hairstyles' or 'content over male viera' which is perfectly fine, but I think pp lshould just realize two things and take them into consideration when posting:
-Male viera are announced, they're coming, female hrotgar are coming later as well, and that is set in stone
-Male viera and female hrotgar players arent 'the enemy' here, we will both have the exact same limitations and it is on the best interest of everyone that they are removed, or at least something is added.

I understand haristyles may be a sensitive topic w some ppl which is fine, but instead of picking 'sides', arguing over the same beaten dead horse over and over and attacking each other will get nothing for anybody, what we should do is simply share our excitement/dissapointment/feedback with the devs and each other.

Also, there is another thread that is focusing on, and is much more appropiate for the hairstyles and hats discussions where you are more likely to get noticed, as I higly doubt the devs actually read what is in the thread and if they see players bumping the male viera thread and having discussions here, they are likely to assume its simply players being excited.

My biggest wish for male Viera is a rockin ponytail like the females have. I love that hair so much. Wish other races could use it.

Otherwise as long as I can use my glasses and the occational carby ears I'm happy with headgear.

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Originally Posted by SomeRandomHuman

My biggest wish for male Viera is a rockin ponytail like the females have. I love that hair so much. Wish other races could use it.

Otherwise as long as I can use my glasses and the occational carby ears I'm happy with headgear.

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If I had one wish for male viera, it would likely be that all hair is genderunlocked, that way females would get new hairstyles and the males would have more options (I thin kin particular, the boyish hairstyle from the females would be a great addition considering the males so far dont have anything that looks similar).

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Originally Posted by zeylos

If I had one wish for male viera, it would likely be that all hair is genderunlocked, that way females would get new hairstyles and the males would have more options (I thin kin particular, the boyish hairstyle from the females would be a great addition considering the males so far dont have anything that looks similar).

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I appreciate the thought, but I'd rather have non-unisex styles for viera. That was to be the saving grace for "viera unique" styles.

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Originally Posted by SturmChurro

I appreciate the thought, but I'd rather have non-unisex styles for viera. That was to be the saving grace for "viera unique" styles.

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I mean if female and male look so alike as it seems...is it really unisex?

Genderlocking is good tbh, unlocking hairstyles takes time and shouldn't be done if it's at the cost of male hairstyles. 17 male hairstyles (like females right now) and everything locked is better than less male exclusive hairstyle + females ones for everyone. If they can share 34 hairstyles ofc it's good but if they can't do this i'm good with just 17.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

I mean if female and male look so alike as it seems...is it really unisex?

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The premise of a race is that they look alike; even male midlander and female Midlander look alike.
I don't think they're trying to make male Viera female Viera without breasts.

Just like female Highlander isn't male Highlander with breasts.
From what I've seen of Male Viera they have a range similar to male Midlander where they can look effeminate but also manly. But that doesn't mean that they're trying to make both genders look the same physically. As such the hair shouldn't exclusively be forced to unisex.

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Originally Posted by Caurcas

I mean if female and male look so alike as it seems...is it really unisex?

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It can go either way depending on how the culture is written. If they take on such strict gender roles then it makes sense if they also deliberately differ in how they present themselves, especially if they don't naturally look that different. On the other hand there doesn't seem to be a strong distinction from the hairstyles we've seen so far.

I'm going to sound SO much like Theodric here, but... the hairstyles we've seen so far don't look all that "masculine" as is.

Don't get me wrong, they're very pretty and most of them I can totally see in bishonen-type characters, but I think only the two shorter ones I'd call "classically masculine", MAYBE the helmeted one as it gives me a Basch-type feel to it, for some reason.

Does this mean they WILL be unisex? I'm still inclined to believe no and that they're male exclusive, partly because I want to be pleasantly surprised if they're actually unlocked. Although without getting into a whoooole other side-note about the changing fashions in male hairstyles (which would be moot considering tribal hairstyles closer to the Viera lore would be a whole different beast AND different from what we've seen), I'll say that if they DO end up being gender-locked, at least I like most of them unlike the 3 (bangs included) I rotate between on female Viera.

...though now that I put the idea in my head I'd LOVE some tribal hairstyles on male Viera: dreadlocks, braided designs, mohawks...

I just hope they get good male hairstyles. This expansion hasn’t been good in terms of that so...really hope theirs aren’t overtly feminine and we get a nice mix at the very least.

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Originally Posted by splinter1545

These things never work.

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We did it ya'll!

Tbh I don't have high hopes for male Viera. From what was shown in the trailer, I have absolutely no desire to play them. I still hope there will be at least 1 masculine looking face (the trailer faces were all so feminine/ androgynous) and 1 masculine hairstyle (the trailer hairstyles looked just like female hairstyles beeing sold as unisex) and maybe they'll even add some facial hair options. I'll check them out in the character creator once they are available but I kinda doubt there will be any non-androgynous and therefore interesting options for me.

Meanwhile... I'll just keep dreaming:

https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...0c733ca4e7.jpg
https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...d7945662ce.jpg
https://img2.finalfantasyxiv.com/acc...af5fd323b0.jpg

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Originally Posted by KizuyaKatogami

I just hope they get good male hairstyles. This expansion hasn’t been good in terms of that so...really hope theirs aren’t overtly feminine and we get a nice mix at the very least.

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I'm kind of in the vein where i'm tired of seeing the overtly anime protagonist hairstyles and want something a little more down to earth. It seems male viera have a couple in this capacity from the ones shown. Though a bit longer. I'd like some shorter styles too.